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ringo
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Message 115 of 168 (380804)
01-28-2007 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by anastasia
01-28-2007 9:01 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
Easy to be the question guy.
You try it. Good questions are a lot harder than bad answers.
I do good because it helps me or my species to survive. I do evil because it USED to help me or my species survive. Happy?

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Message 117 of 168 (380832)
01-29-2007 2:07 AM
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01-28-2007 10:14 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
Why oh why, do you judge us poor folk who keep religion because it helps us survive?
I don't judge, I question.
I would like you to ask yourself how it helps you to survive, and what else might have the same effect.

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Message 146 of 168 (381370)
01-30-2007 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by anastasia
01-30-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
... the 'extra-terrestrail life' is known as, for now, God.
When a little green man parks his flying saucer on your lawn and says, "Take me to your leader," will you ask to see the nail prints in his hands? When he tells you to kill your people to make room for his, will you do it?

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Message 148 of 168 (381380)
01-30-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by anastasia
01-30-2007 7:28 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
If the little green man can prove that he has been behind all of the actions prescribed to a God, at least to my satisfaction, I will abandon my idea that there is some other God.
That's a little unfair, isn't it? You demand proof from the extraterrestrial you have met but not from the One you haven't met?
But the point here is about right and wrong. If the little green man could prove that he was the One you've been calling God, would you accept his word about right and wrong?
If it turned out that you had misunderstood his message and had right and wrong all turned around from what he wanted, would you just change your ideas about right and wrong?
That seems like a much weaker foundation for right and wrong than plain old survival.

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Message 155 of 168 (381416)
01-30-2007 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by anastasia
01-30-2007 9:31 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
You misunderstand. I follow no word, but the word of my conscience. Any being, great or small, green, pink, or spotted, who tells me to oppose my conscience, is not God.
Then I certainly did misunderstand. I was under the impression that you had been saying all along that your conscience comes from God.

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Message 159 of 168 (381557)
01-31-2007 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by anastasia
01-31-2007 4:42 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
I repeat; if any alien creature posing as God were to ask me to oppose my consience, I would not accept said creature as God.
But we're not talking about changing your allegience from one god to another. We're talking about the origin of your conscience.
What if the alien had gotten to you first? What if he had told you you have keep slaves and sacrifice virgins? Would that be what your "conscience" would tell you? If the Christian God came along later and told you to love your neighbour, would that oppose your conscience?

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Message 163 of 168 (381577)
01-31-2007 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by anastasia
01-31-2007 5:14 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
I believe I could get 'saved' without my conscience being sad. It might even be the first time I discovered I HAD a conscience.
That's not what I asked though. I'm trying to get at the origin of your conscience. If you "discovered" your conscience for the first time, wouldn't that suggest that it's deeper than your beliefs?
You claim that your conscience "guides" you to your God, but every believer in every God makes the same claim. That suggests that our conscience isn't just a mere message from God - it's something more fundamental, from a deeper level than mere belief in God - a biological level.
As people have been trying to explain to you.

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Message 166 of 168 (381592)
01-31-2007 7:05 PM
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01-31-2007 6:08 PM


Re: Right and wrong
anastasia writes:
I just think that we've evolved this conscience for a reason more than survival of the body.
So you keep saying... and saying... and saying....
But what is that reason? All you've done is handwave away everybody else's reasons without proposing anything better.

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