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jar
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Message 8 of 59 (412652)
07-25-2007 5:37 PM
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07-23-2007 12:37 PM


Science is very credible.
The mechanical why the world exists are pretty simple. The why explanation is that the world is the result of gravity and collisions.
Doesn't seem to be much of a mystery there.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 14 of 59 (412706)
07-25-2007 9:23 PM
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07-25-2007 9:07 PM


Re: Science is very credible.
It's a why as well. If the matter is there, a spherical (semi) body has to result. There is no other possibility.

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jar
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Message 17 of 59 (412777)
07-26-2007 9:05 AM
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07-26-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Science is very credible.
I know it is not what OpenMind meant, however in the case of the specific question he asked, the technical and rhetorical questions have the same answer.
The reason why we have this world is because it is impossible to not have this world.
OpenMind wants to assert that religions answer the question better than science. I am telling him that that is rubbish, religions do not answer the question of why the world exists while science most definitely does.

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Message 35 of 59 (412837)
07-26-2007 12:43 PM
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07-26-2007 11:01 AM


Re: Science is very credible.
Your message is full of falsehoods.
First, this world did not come from nothing.
This world exists because it accreted from a cloud of dust that in turn was the result of some stellar explosion. It absolutely had to form based on the amount of dust that was present. It had to form a roughly spherical shape.
There is little mystery there, rather just simple mechanics.

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Message 41 of 59 (413048)
07-27-2007 12:51 PM
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07-27-2007 12:50 AM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
The only answers to the question "why?" is either conscious meaning or intent, or its just because.
That is a false dichotomy. There could be many reason why the world was created. I have outlined one for you.
The world was created because gravity attracts things nearby. Those things accrete which increases the total gravitational attraction of that object. As the object revolves around the sun, it comes close to other mater, adding to its mass with every event.
As the mass increases it eventually reaches a point where the gravitaional pull is sufficient to define the overall shape of the object itself and a spheriod is the result.
The answer is neither conscious meaning or intent, nor is it just because. There are very good reasons for the world to exist.

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jar
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Message 44 of 59 (413109)
07-27-2007 5:16 PM
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07-27-2007 4:48 PM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
Where did the matter or cloud that was around before the big bang come from.
What does that have to do with the question of where the world came from?
This world is the result of many many things that have happened since the Big Bang. We are not a first generation world, rather we are the result of the birth and death of many older suns.
The cloud that our world is made of is the result of the death and destruction of earlier star systems. That is where the heavier elements that make up our world came from as well as the cloud of materials that became our sun and the planets of this solar system.
The world could not simply exist from the beginning, in particular, our world could not exist until the heavier elements were made, and they were made by suns using up their supply of hydrogen and moving on to fusion of heavier elements.
One of the more interesting studies lately is the attempt to identify which suns might be related to the event that led to the Solar System and would be sibling systems.
As to the "before the Big Bang" question, I'm not sure that even has any meaning. It certainly has little to do with our world.

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Message 48 of 59 (413118)
07-27-2007 5:50 PM
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07-27-2007 5:31 PM


Re: Is that a good enough answer?
I was not talking about the creation of our solar system, I was talking about the matter that you claim existed "before the big bang."
I don't know where you got the idea I said anything about before the Big Bang.
There had to be something before the big bang. If there was absolutely nothing before the big bang than you come back to my original question which was, how can something come from nothing?
What does that have to do with either he OP where you asked "There seems to be many theories and explanations about "how" the world came into existence." or the topic which is "Why was the world created?"

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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