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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 16 of 304 (416169)
08-14-2007 9:30 AM
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08-14-2007 6:42 AM


Re: Sinus Cavity
maybe the problem is with your ears. you might have an inner ear infection. the irritation will enflame your eustacian which connects to your sinuses. and the inner ears are responsible for balance.
or maybe your kid put a bean in your ear and it's sprouting.

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Message 17 of 304 (416254)
08-14-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by macaroniandcheese
08-14-2007 9:27 AM


because some tests take a long time to run. there are other people who need care too. (you're clearly not dying. triage is a hierarchical system.) because you have to pay for the hours you spend in the hospital and i doubt you want to go inpatient for three weeks to nail down everything wrong with your head (no jokes, people. it's not the place.)
Every test I've had done so far, can be completed in a day or two.
There is no reason for the ENT to say "get a hearing test" and then have to go to another facility, and wait two weeks for that test to take place. Then you have to wait for another appointment for the ENT, add salt and repeat, until one year goes by, or my business gets shut down, because I can't work, and make money..
There is no excuse, plain and simple. Or medical system should be set up in a way, where you can go to one building, and have all the test done, in order, to accommodate process of elimination.
My tumor in my neck took 6 tests. X-rays, CT's, MRI's, and one biopsy.
This could have been accomplished in one day, not 7 months.
You know what my family doctor told me? It was a swollen lymph node, and would heal in two weeks. When I came back to him, 2 weeks later, he said, it might take 6-8 wweeks. So I went home again. Then when I came back in two more weeks, and told him, I think you are wrong, shouldn't you send me to an ENT? He told me....and I quote...."I am never wrong".
That was my last visit to that knuckle head. Then I went to the ENT on my own.

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riVeRraT
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Message 18 of 304 (416255)
08-14-2007 10:50 PM
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08-14-2007 9:30 AM


Re: Sinus Cavity
maybe the problem is with your ears. you might have an inner ear infection. the irritation will enflame your eustacian which connects to your sinuses. and the inner ears are responsible for balance.
When they look in my ears, they see nothing, and the hearing test was inconclusive.
I was doing some research of my own, and vestibular migraine seems to match what I have, almost exactly, except that when I breath in through my nose, it's like being poked with an ice pick.
or maybe your kid put a bean in your ear and it's sprouting.
Or maybe a spider crawled in there, or maybe I am sick of hearing BS (lol).
I am going to quote you on this one, "I'm dying and I know it".
Are there R/C planes in heaven? I miss flying already.

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Message 19 of 304 (416269)
08-14-2007 11:40 PM
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08-14-2007 10:45 PM


quote:
There is no excuse, plain and simple. Or medical system should be set up in a way, where you can go to one building, and have all the test done, in order, to accommodate process of elimination.
You mean like the socialized medicine they have in Canada and most of Europe?

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Message 20 of 304 (416275)
08-15-2007 12:04 AM
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08-14-2007 10:50 PM


Re: Sinus Cavity
Just one joke, I promise:
or maybe your kid put a bean in your ear and it's sprouting.
Or maybe a spider crawled in there, or maybe I am sick of hearing BS (lol).
Maybe a thought got in there somehow.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 21 of 304 (416318)
08-15-2007 7:54 AM
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08-14-2007 10:50 PM


Re: Sinus Cavity
When they look in my ears, they see nothing, and the hearing test was inconclusive.
i don't think you generally see an inner ear infection. there's stuff in the way, like, your ear.
i hope you figure it out though.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 22 of 304 (416347)
08-15-2007 9:46 AM
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08-14-2007 11:40 PM


You mean like the socialized medicine they have in Canada and most of Europe?
I don't know how that works, but it doesn't sound like what I would like to see. I don't think socialized medicine is the same thing as having all the tools at your disposal. You are describing what Hillary wanted to do.
Doesn't it make common sense to have all the tools at your disposal?
If I came over to your house and said, well looks like your gonna need a leak test done, so in about two weeks I'll go by a leakdown tester. Or would you expect me to already own onne, because it is part of my trade?
My neurologist had the right idea. The building I went to had many different doctors, and an MRI machine. He sent me right to them, the same day when needed. It was awesome.

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Message 23 of 304 (416348)
08-15-2007 9:47 AM
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08-15-2007 12:04 AM


Re: Sinus Cavity
Maybe a thought got in there somehow.
Must have been one of yours.

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Message 24 of 304 (416349)
08-15-2007 9:49 AM
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08-15-2007 7:54 AM


Re: Sinus Cavity
i don't think you generally see an inner ear infection. there's stuff in the way, like, your ear.
i hope you figure it out though.
Many of the conditions, that I could possibly have, are very hard to figure out, and for some, there is no test at all, or the test involves surgery.
But for the mean time, we could try and rule everything else out.
This whole thing of sending me for a hearing test, then back the doctor, then another test, then back to the doctor, is just stupid. It takes too long.
Thanks

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Message 25 of 304 (416353)
08-15-2007 10:37 AM
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08-15-2007 9:46 AM


quote:
I don't know how that works, but it doesn't sound like what I would like to see. I don't think socialized medicine is the same thing as having all the tools at your disposal. You are describing what Hillary wanted to do.
It works like this, Rat.
Healthcare is paid for by everybody, through taxes. Everyone is covered. Healthcare becomes a public welfare issue instead of profit-driven. Costs go down because more people are getting preventative care and are generally healthier becasue they don't wait to go to the doctor because they can't afford it. The huge financial burden upon business is lifted, so more of their resources can go towards other things innovation, workers would probably see a bigger paycheck and investors would see a bigger dividend. Workers would be freer to leave a job they were not happy with becasue they would not fear losing their healthcare coverage, thus making businesses compete harder for people by offering better compensation. People would feel freer to start their own businesses because they wouldn't have to worry about healthcare costs. Large corporations would be less likely to outsource jobs overseas since the reason they do that is, in part, because they don't have to pay for healthcare for those workers.
Since healthcare is no longer profit-driven, there would be a fairer geographic distribution of facilities and services; people in rural areas wouldn't have to drive for two hours to see a specialist as they now often have to, and there would no longer be the wastefulness of having 10 diagnostic MRI facilities in a few square miles of a wealthy urban area, as is often the case now.
Healthcare would return to being patient-focused instead of insurance company profit-focused, so the cost of tests, treatments, and time spent with medical professionals would not be a consideration in the care you get, unlike today.
Are these the "kooky" ideas you were referring to?

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Message 26 of 304 (416425)
08-15-2007 6:07 PM
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08-14-2007 6:48 AM


riVeRrat
It depends on whether the means to fix it is available.
I've spent 26 hours once to replace a boiler in a school, yet our health system, can take as long as they want with our bodies.
So why, for pity's sake have you not contacted the authorities at these establishments and inform them on how they could do better. You seem to have the impression that you are aware of all the issues facing health care providers and the system under which they get things done.
I encourage you to share with these people your ideas for improvement.

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Message 27 of 304 (416457)
08-15-2007 8:37 PM
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08-15-2007 10:37 AM


And you think putting that responsibility into the hands of our government is a good idea?
There would also be no choice of what doctor you are allowed to see.

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Message 28 of 304 (416458)
08-15-2007 8:40 PM
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08-15-2007 6:07 PM


I wouldn't know where to start, or have the time to do it correctly.

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Message 29 of 304 (416462)
08-15-2007 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
08-15-2007 8:37 PM


There would also be no choice of what doctor you are allowed to see.
Well thats blatantly false.

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Message 30 of 304 (416472)
08-15-2007 9:37 PM
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08-15-2007 8:37 PM


quote:
And you think putting that responsibility into the hands of our government is a good idea?
YES!
...if it means that everybody gets very good care for an awful lot less money, as opposed to a few of us getting excellent care for a lot of money, a lot of us getting mediocre care for also a lot of money, and a significant minority of us getting poor to no care for (wait for it) also a lot of money.
You trust the government, rather than the free market, to defend our borders, protect you from attack and help you during times of disaster through our socialized military and law enforcement, you know.
Or maybe you think we should privatize the military and the police force, so that they are profit-driven, rather than public service-oriented? They would certainly become more efficient, but I'm not sure if their hearts would remain in the right place, you know?
quote:
There would also be no choice of what doctor you are allowed to see.
Don't be silly, of course you would have choice of what doctor to see.
In fact, you would have MORE choice than you have currently. I can't just see any doctor I want, because they have to be in the list of doctors in my insurance plan. If I want to se a doctor not listed in my plan, I have to pay out of pocket.
If everybody in the country was covered by our government, every doctor in the country would be equally available to all.
Tell me, rat, did you actually bother to find out anything about what socialized medicine actually is before you rejected it, or did you just swallow all of the fear mongering of the insurance company lobbyists speaking through their right-wing legislators? All you've been doing is parrotting all of their negative (and inaccurate/false) soundbites.

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