Holistic Doctors, and medicine

A book that lets him benefit financially from what is on his web-site. The whole web-site is a guide for his book.Like I said, that shouldn't invalidate anything, but the same logic has been used to invalidate naturopathy at times here.

Yes, fraud according to him, which is no different than the fraud, claimed by all these naturopathy web-sites, that are pill makers.

Not really. One side actually has data to back up their assertions. The other side is trying to sell their nonsense.

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No. Naturopathy falls flat on its face all on its own.The fact that naturopathic "schools" sell online degrees and that the 4 (four!) brick and mortar "schools" receive nearly all their funding from woomeister manufacturers is just icing on the cake.

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Yes, Naturopathy includes some valid, evidence-based information in its practice, but it also incorporates utterly unsupported quackery and pseudoscience ito its practices.

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As molbiogirl quoted from the White Paper in Message 145. Everything has not been rigorously tested yet. When it is, we'll see what remains.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Possessing an MD does not mean "immune to bunk".
An MD can be just as deluded as Lorraine Day.

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Well if an MD can be sucked in by pseudoscience, then what hope is there for poor little ole me?

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What "alternative" medicine would you consider "wheat"?

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The wheat is that which works after rigorous testing. I don't have the ability to perform the double blind triple flip testing necessary for accurate wheat verification, which shouldn't surprise you since you don't seem to think I have the sense God gave a goose.From Message 145 and the White Paper. As for my personal needs I just follow nator's advice. I'll go with what works. Edited by purpledawn, : Added Thoughts

Yes, someone earlier in the thread accused sinol of being big pharma.

It is Big Pharma. So what? Buz was going on and on about the evils of Big Pharma and nator and I simply pointed out that Sinol is Big Pharma.And Sinol is not "naturopathy". Sinol has an active ingredient: capsaicin. It has been subjected to rigorous testing and has been proven effective for cluster headaches.If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times, if an active ingredient is proven to be effective, it is not "alternative" medicine; it is MEDICINE.

I have asked you three times which of these altie nostrums you find "effective" or "tried and true". And you have yet to answer.

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I have asked you three times which of these altie nostrums you find "effective" or "tried and true". And you have yet to answer.

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Apparently I can't count either. You have only asked once in Message 160 that I can see and I did answer in Message 172. My answer, since you didn't get the point, is that I have no answer for you. As for my personal needs I just follow nator's advice. I'll go with what works. What my ND has advised me to date concerning nutrition has worked. I can't speak to anything else.I don't advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater if possible.

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Everything has not been rigorously tested yet. When it is, we'll see what remains.

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Why, then, are ND's allowed to prescribe any treatment or theraputic substance which hasn't been rigorously tested and shown to be safe and effective?You just said upthread that "both have their place" in healthcare, didn't you?Are you saying that untested treatments have their place alongside tested treatments in healthcare?And do you agree that Naturopathy's basis is in a "unifying life force" and the mystical idea of vitalism?Lastly, a definition of "balance" as Naturopathy uses it would be most welcome, if the definition I have gleaned is inaccurate.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Well if an MD can be sucked in by pseudoscience, then what hope is there for poor little ole me?

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MD's aren't trained in hypothesis testing, but we talk about it all the time here on EvC.And, after several years tooling around this website, have you really not learned how to detect pseudoscience, what the scientific method entails, and how to be a critical thinker?I believe you have been exposed to all you need to have a fully-functioning bullshit detector. However, I think you choose to not use it when it comes to Naturopathy.

But it is natural.Isn't there a difference between that and a synthesized pill?Is tea medicine? You don't drink chamomile tea when you have an upset stomach?Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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But it is natural.

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Isn't there a difference between that and a synthesized pill?

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Chemically, the active ingredient is identical, so in that repect, no there is no difference.However, in many cases, the synthetic version of the natural medicinal herb or substance is sfer and more effective, since in its natural form, many herbs have varying amounts of the active ingredient and also containother substances that are poisonous or irritating. The synthetic version of acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin), for example is much safer than the natural substance it is a copy of, willow bark extract. The extract eased pain, it's true, but it also caused people's stomachs to bleed becasue of other substances in the extract.