nator's statement:
Are you saying that untested treatments have their place alongside tested treatments in healthcare?
Your response:
A truly untested treatment no, but to me a truly untested treatment means it has never been used on humans.
My response:
That is a truly bizarre definition of "untested". By that definition, blood letting is an appropriate treatment for fever.
Your response translated:
Tested "treatments" have their place alongside proper medical treatment. Anything that has been used on humans is tested.
My response translated:
Bloodletting for fever has been used on humans. Therefore bloodletting for fever has been tested. Therefore bloodletting for fever has its place alongside proper medical treatment.
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The difference is that my statement makes no claim that the different results are more or less effective, just different.
The intent of my question (efficacy v. whole herb) is to get at just that: What on god's green earth do you mean by "different"?
Show me quantitative data. Provide a link. Point to an authoritative text. Don't just wave your hands around ... "differences" my aunt's fanny. SHOW ME.
And HHS is a part of the U.S. Government, but it isn't accurate for me to state that the quote is from the U.S. Government.
Listing all three is actually a courtesy.
This is beyond disingenuous.
You've posted three links because it looks better than one. You are unable to provide support for your position, so you fluff up the one link you can find.
The HHS has nothing to do with NCCAM. They're just the agency that provides oversight.
The NIH is directly responsible for NCCAM, but the NIH link you provided has
absolutely nothing to do with altie woo, NCCAM, or anything else of relevance.
Your problem is that you can't turn to the AANP, ANMA, or the HANP for help because they don't define naturopathy the way you want.
To wit:
Biological homeostasis is what I understand my ND to mean by balance.
You can't turn to any of the 4 (four!) "schools" (National College of Naturopathic Medicine, Bastyr University, The Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine and Health Sciences or The University of Bridgeport College of Natural Medicine) because they don't define naturopathy the way you want.
You can't turn to the 7 diploma mills online that sell NDs for as little as $250 because they don't define naturopathy they way you want.
You can't turn to the
Textbook of Natural Medicine because it doesn't define naturopathy the way you want.
And let's have a look at that pamphlet, shall we?
The primary goal of Naturopathic treatment is to address the cause of illness, and not merely the symptoms. The patient is seen as a whole person and individualized treatment plans are based on the physical, mental and emotional needs of each patient. Naturopathy is based on the belief that the body is self-healing and will repair itself to recover from illness if given a healthy environment. A major focus is placed on wellness and disease prevention.
Naturopathic doctors emphasize food and nutrition, vitamins and minerals, herbs and similar substances and some forms of physical medicine in their clinical approach. Naturopathic doctors strive to create an environment where balance can be restored. They focus on providing each individual with the tools they need to take an active role in their own health care and wellness. Treatment plans are individualized and safe and should not interfere with any current conventional care you may be receiving.
Through individualized patient care and public education, the Naturopathic Doctor's primary purpose is: to prevent disease, support and encourage the body's natural healing process, promote health, optimize wellbeing.
Line 1: The primary goal of Naturopathic treatment is to address the cause of illness, and not merely the symptoms.
As does proper medical treatment.
Line 3: Naturopathy is based on the belief that the body is self-healing and will repair itself to recover from illness if given a healthy environment.
Besides the painfully obvious (diseases that are either genetic or genetically-linked) there is the teensy tinsy little problem of something like AIDS. Or Alzheimer's. Or arthritis. Or cancer.
Line 5: ...some forms of physical medicine...
One can only imagine. Applied kinesiology? Craniosacral manipulation? Crystals?
Line 6: Naturopathic doctors strive to create an environment where balance can be restored.
Given your insistence on homeostasis, let's take a look at the very first link on the page when I googled "homeostasis" and "naturopathy":
betterhealth.vic.gov.au writes:
The importance of homeostasis
In order to maintain its health, the body regulates itself to stay within certain physiological limits no matter what the outside environment might be. For instance, body temperature needs to be kept constant. On a cold day, the body will conserve heat by constricting the blood vessels close to the skin and directing blood flow to favour internal organs. On a hot day, the body will dilate blood vessels close to the skin and evaporate body heat with perspiration. Many other elements - such as blood gases, hormones and water - also need to be maintained within strict limits.
The process of maintaining this healthy internal balance is called homeostasis. Naturopathy believes that illness is more likely to occur if the body is ”knocked out’ of homeostasis by lifestyle or environmental factors. The central idea is that the human body is capable of maintaining a healthy state if barriers such as excessive stress and poor nutrition are eliminated.
This power to self-heal is called ”the vital force’.
Why there's that pesky "vital force" again.
Line 8: Treatment plans are individualized and safe and should not interfere with any current conventional care you may be receiving.
Should not interfere, eh? Well. Who's going to see to that?
Certainly not the ND who hasn't any training in proper pharmacology.
And finally ...
But the examples you're giving are outside their professional training. A medical doctor dealing with disease is not outside his professional training.
Belief in prana/qi/"vital force"/"energies"/"vibrations" is delusional.
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