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Author Topic:   Bible contradictions or user error?
jaywill
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Message 5 of 20 (439566)
12-09-2007 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-08-2007 2:37 AM


Anyhow, without further delay, lets pick up on Saul's conversion on the road to Damascus:
"As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"
"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.
"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."
The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything." -Acts 9:3-9
Juxtapose this with the following verse:
"About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, 'Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?'
" 'Who are you, Lord?' I asked.
'I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,' he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me." -Acts 22:6-9
Now, we have what appears to be a straightforward contradiction here. In chapter 9, Luke (the author of Acts) says that Paul's entourage heard the voice of Jesus, but did not see the emanating light. But in chapter 22, where Luke is recording Paul in his own words, says the exact opposite.
I think that while one is considering any contradiction in the book of Acts about Paul's convsersion, one should spend at least equal time to the question "Well, why then did Luke not FIX the decrepancy?"
The writer was obviously given to detail in a careful manner. Could Luke not have seen that the two records might cause a potential problem? Why didn't he do a little editorial fixing of the problem ?
Should we automatically assume that we're more careful than Luke and that he missed the apparent contradiction?
The question I ask is this: " Could it be that Luke just faithfully recorded WHAT PAUL SAID?" In other words "This is exactly what the man Paul SAID. Worry about contradictions latter."
In that case Luke is to be commended for his faithfulness to record what was said by Paul regardless of the problems it may pose to our idea of total consistency of the two records.
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jaywill
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Message 18 of 20 (440082)
12-11-2007 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
12-09-2007 1:23 PM


Re: The heart of the matter
If this is a masterpiece of God, then there should be no errors ever, right?
Well, I think wrong.
The word POEMA in Greek - "masterpiece" is spoken of in relation to the church in Ephesians (Eph. 2:10). I don't think it ever says that the books of the Bible are the masterpiece of God.
The copyists made errors. What we have as copies of the New Testament is adaquate.
Now I think that the reconciliation of the two accounts lies in the fact that those who were with Paul heard something but didn't understand it.
So they heard it but they didn't really hear it.
Compare to Mark 4:33 and 1 Cor. 14:2. They heard the voice but did not understand it, just as they beheld the light but saw no one (9:7).
I also compare it to another occasion when a supernatural speaking occured in John's gospel. Some heard speaking while others heard thunder:
The crowd therefore which stood by and heard it said that there had been thunder; others said, An angel has spoken to Him. Jesus answered and said, This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sake." (John 12:29)
The voice had said "I have glorified it [My name] and will glorify it again." (John 12:28)
Apparently God can send supernatural speaking into the atmosphere and tune it for the comprehension of some and to incomprehension of others. Some heard what they said was an angel speaking. Others heard only thunder.
In the book of Revelation also it says that out of the throne of God came forth voices and thunders (Rev. 4:5; 10:3;11:19). Since in the last days there will also be some supernatural proclaimation from angelic beings, then also probably some will hear voices and others will hear natural thunder.
See Revelation 14:6,7.
I think the problem is solved in this manner. In this case it was Saul of Tarsus alone perhaps, who was singled out to discriminate the words being spoken.
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