in my mind, it doesn't really matter if it's a child or not. forcing ill-prepared people to have children results in abused and neglected children.
One word -- adoption. If two parents can't handle the rigors of parenting, then adopt the child. Birth parents don't have to worry about neglect or give up their dreams, adopting parents get to have the bundle of joy they always wanted, and the child gets to, you know, live! Seems like a pretty sweet deal for all involved parties.
adoption often results in abandonment issues on a massive scale, and that's assuming said adoption takes place swiftly and not after years of living within the child "welfare" system.
So, comrade Brenna, we should just kill them in the
event that they
could be neglected? Makes sense, I guess. We should just kill everyone off come to think of it. Humans are just going to pollute the earth more and more. We might as well start cutting back on the numbers like China does -- abortions and executions for the chosen.
Alright, which one of you wants to lead us by example? The gallows are that'away!
howard dean instituted parental education classes when he was governor.
Yeah, but he's also
crazy, so..... who cares what he thinks? Ah, I'm just messin' with you. That whole thing was blown WAY out of proportion.
she and her husband are struggling to make ends meet. they were struggling before they had the baby and they're worse off now. he has no motivation and an idea that he has to be the provider. she has motivation and an idea that she has to submit. they were having relationship problems before. they're worse now.
Sounds like he needs to stop being a douche-bag, not that they should have just executed little baby, Jessica. Movies are great for escapism, but they hardly reflect real life in most cases. Any relationship requires effort.
I read an analogy in a book once on marriage that stuck with me. Marriage is like the Mississippi river. This river runs from North to South, from Minnesota all the way down to the Mississippi river basin, where it filters out in to the Gulf of Mexico. If you do no paddling whatsoever (i.e. effort), you will go south without having tried to.
And it probably was a mistake for them to have gotten married and have kids. But the reality is that they did. So, now what?
The real moral of the story is that life is serious, and has serious consequences. How we parent and how we deal with people everyday is going to shape, and in many cases, dictate how functional a society is going to be. Killing things that get in the way of one's fun is only going to degrade that society even more by removing the sanctity of life.
if it were me in that situation (and it is, more or less, minus the pregnancy issue) i would be irresponsible in bringing a child into that situation. it's not healthy. for me, the responsible choice is abortion, especially compounded by living in florida, where it is horribly irresponsible to entrust a child to dcf. in my eyes, it is gross abuse and neglect to turn a child over to them. death doesn't create psychological harm which could result in the child becoming a social danger.
Well, the simple answer really is simple enough.
Answer: Don't get pregnant.
Of course, that assumes that we are dealing with responsible people. Some people aren't. Some people choose to float through life, drifting aimlessly, and then despair about how their situation isn't better. It happens. And whether you object to the religious connotations or not, there really is a clear sense of "sin" and what it does to people, and how it erodes any given society. But we needn't have to think about sin in religious contexts to understand that we really do reap what we sow.
why aren't anti-choicers in the streets rioting about the abomination that is this country's child welfare system?
Because its a strawman. One hasn't a thing to do with the other. Instead of telling people that its okay to kill their children when they get in the way, or just drop them off on the doorstep of the State, perhaps we should be teaching people about morals.
why aren't they demanding and instituting parenting classes?
They do. Any Family Resource Center, or a derivative, offers counseling. But you can't force people to take parenting classes. Maybe it should be compulsory, but as of now, it is not.
why aren't they up in arms about responsible birth control use?
Who says they aren't? How you NOT get pregnant is all fine and good. Not getting pregnant if you don't want to be is vastly better than going through an abortion or a pregnancy, just as not sinning in the first place is better than having to be forgiven.
why aren't they demanding assistance to help unplanned parents to pay for both carrying the pregnancy and providing for the child through age 18?
Assistance from whom?
why do they fight welfare?
Welfare has its merits, in its proper perspective. The unfortunate reality is that in many cases, the people who are on welfare abuse the hell out of it, which is a real shame for those who would use it properly.
why don't they care about fixing the adoption system?
What is broken about the adoption system?
why aren't their families swelling with adopted children?
I know of quite a few families who do adopt children from all over the world. In fact, my daughters friend across the street is a little Cambodian girl. They also have another adopted son.
Not everyone can afford a half dozen adopted children, though. Not all of us are as loaded as Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt. God bless the Pitt's and the Jolie's of this world who, by their fortune, can give someone far less fortunate a chance.
why are anti-abortionists taking their daughters in for abortions?
Because those one's are hypocrites.
why do only 1.7 million households have an adopted child?
Because most people conceive naturally.
why do only 18% of those households have more than one adopted child?
This is a string of strawmen... You want to kill these children! That pretty much ends the debate for you. So pretty please, with sugar on top, don't get all sanctimonious on us as if you have the moral superiority to do so.
why are 13% of the adoptions in this country foreign-born children?
I dare say those numbers are increasing because it is far easier to adopt a child outside of the US than it is to adopt within.
if these people who are suffering from unplanned pregnancies have so clearly demonstrated irresponsibility and incompetence in your eyes, why do you want them raising children?
Brenna, you are making one blanket statement after another. Your solution seems to be that we should just not have any children because
some people are bad. Surely you see the absurdity in the argument.
Any which way you turn, there is a viable solution.
1. What should you do if you don't want to get pregnant?
2. In the event that you try not to get pregnant, but do in anyhow, what should you do?
3. What should you do about bad parents?
The list goes on and on. But just remember, your advice is that we just kill them. I suppose we could bring it back to the Wild West where you just kill people that get in your way. But for some odd reason, it isn't conducive to a healthy society.
“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
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