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Message 31 of 41 (443295)
12-24-2007 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by PaulK
11-09-2007 1:45 PM


Re: Geologic Column
Since when did radiometric dating become absolute.

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Message 33 of 41 (443300)
12-24-2007 11:33 AM
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12-24-2007 11:27 AM


Re: Geologic Column
If radiometric dating was that accurate it would be more like, I am around 50 years old, take or give a few years. It is not that accurate. So it cannot be absolute.

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Message 35 of 41 (443320)
12-24-2007 1:41 PM
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12-24-2007 11:38 AM


Re: Geologic Column
When the word 'absolute' is used, it connotes absolution. It is not absolute, so why use the word? Radiometric dating is a circular reasoning method to determine the unknown age of something. It doesn't actually give you the age, the age is inferred.

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Message 37 of 41 (443356)
12-24-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by edge
12-24-2007 1:59 PM


Re: Geologic Column
However you wish to define or redefine the word is fine with me. All I can tell you is how the rest of the world sees it. If you wish to use your own definitions, you will find it hard to function in the real world.
Well, it is what it is, and the connotation is clear.
Please explain your definition of circular reasoning and then explain how radiometric dating is circular.
a use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion, a method of false logic by which "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this
Carbon 14 dating is used to calibrate tree ring dating and vice versa. When a rock is found in a certain geologic column layer, it is assumed to be a certain age. If radiometric dating is used on the rock to confirm it, if it agrees with the assumption, then it is used. If it doesn't, it is thrown out, something went wrong with the procedure is assumed. Clear examples of circular reasoning.
When I look at my watch, I am inferring a time of day, also. You have a problem with this?
No.
You remain confused. Many YECs have problems with words having multiple meanings. Try this definition from Merriam Webster Online:
Thank you for the lessons.

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Message 40 of 41 (443401)
12-24-2007 8:48 PM
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12-24-2007 8:31 PM


Re: Geologic Column
Actually, this is not true. Tree ring data is used to calibrate C14 dating. Period. Full stop. Tree rings are calibrated simply by counting backwards.
I don't think so.
Are tree-ring chronologies reliable?
quote:
Because the ratio of 14C to 12C in the atmosphere varies over time, raw radiocarbon "dates" are calibrated to obtain actual calendar dates using dendrochronology. This process of calibration is an essential part of the radiocarbon dating method, and eliminates assumptions about historical atmospheric radiocarbon concentrations and the constancy of the decay rate of radiocarbon over time. (See How does the radiocarbon dating method work?) Dendrochronology thus provides an essential service to radiocarbon dating, the major method used to date archaeological remains, guaranteeing its accuracy throughout the period of interest to biblical chronology.
Hardly independent methods.
Funny thing is, when the C14 measurement is taken for tree ring corresponding to 10,000 years ago, and the C14 measurement for the 10,000th varve in Lake Suigetsu is taken, and when the C14 measurement for the 10,000th layer in the sediment of the Carico basin is taken, they are all the same. Just as if the 10,000th tree ring, the 10,000th varve, and the 10,000th marine sediment (and the 10,000th layer in certain stalactites found in Bahaman caves, did I mention those?) all formed at the same time.
Every single time? That is impressive. If it were only true.
Now you've ignored this important point when I've brought them up before tonight, but I am curious as to why the amazing coincidence here, how tree rings, varves, and marine sediments (and layers in stalactites) all formed at exactly the same rate so as to give consistent C14 dates?
Did I say I had a problem with the earth being 10000 years old? However, I do believe it is closer to 6000 years.

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