What has hit home to me in this thread is that what is not observable, i.e. invisible to sight touch, feel, etc is what allegedly effected the big bang. I'm referring to space and time.
This is the alternative to the creationist POV of an intelligent agent which is also invisible to sight, touch and feel.
Both of the above POVs observe and interpret according to their respective invisible sources. The only difference is that the big bang folks claim to observe space and time by curvature etc. I say, nonsense. That would be like us claiming that we observe God, the designer in design, complexity, etc. They don't allow that for creationists. They reserve that privilege solely for themselves because they have the bully pulpit in the educational institutions.
The only possible way big bang advocates could possibly be correct is to allege that space has properties capable of curving, expanding, causing a rigid unbended steel bar's to go full circle to connect it's two ends, etc.
The problem is none of them agree as to what these properties are and so far as I have seen via this thread they have not pinpointed one specific property of space capable of doing any of these feats. They simply repeat that "space curves" but can't come up with what property of it enables it to do that etc.
I'm not trying to argue whether there is curvature of sorts being observed or not but if there is it is effects of existing forces and matter, i.e. things occupying space that is being observed and not space and time.
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