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Grizz
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Message 117 of 560 (468985)
06-02-2008 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by IamJoseph
06-02-2008 2:21 AM


Re: The Four Gospels
How do you account for the total vaccuum of any contemporary writings from any source,..
It is only a puzzle if you try to view Judea through the lens of the twentieth-century. The Roman Empire was largely a verbal society and information often traveled slowly. The majority of first century inhabitants were illiterate. Also, the well-educated aristocrats who were literate were not always proficient enough to compose documents with the same level of sophistication as we see with Jospehus, Tacitus, or Pliny.
This is how historians infer that Paul of Tarsus was a highly educated and Hellenized Jew. Not only does his philosophy give clues to his upbringing and education, his command of Greek and his penmanship indicate someone who is highly educated and likely comes from an affluent background.
Also, consider that in the first century you could not just run down to Drug Mart and purchase a pad of paper and a pen for a dollar. Not only were writing materials expensive, they were not easy to produce in quantity. The process of putting together papyrus scrolls or parchment from animal skins was time consuming and labor intensive. Most ancient manuscripts were written using the technique of Scriptio Continua: The author created the document using continuous script with no spacing between words or sentences. This saved precious material and money. This is also why scrolls were popular. Creating a codex with individual pages was a total pain in the rear.
Composing documents using the writing implements and material available at the time was also laborious and time consuming. Imagine having to pen just a few small paragraphs on hard parchment or papyrus where you often needed double or triple pen strokes.
In short, if you were going to devote your time and resources to putting something into writing, you had a very good reason to do so. During the life of Jesus, it is doubtful anyone saw anything of significance that would motivate them to devote any ink to what they would likely see as another self-proclaimed prophet who was among the hundreds of others walking the landscape of Judea. It wasn't unit the years following his death, when the stories and legends started circulating, that anyone would likely think it worthwhile to devote any ink to the subject.
That no public historian such as Josephus mentioned anything about Jesus during his life, or immediately after is death, is really not of much value when forming an opinion as to whether the figure of Jesus was historical. It means very little actually.
... and why are the gospels not written in Hebrew?
Hebrew was not a functional language at the time. The use of Hebrew declined following the destruction of Jersualem by the Babylonians. Most Jews found thesmelves dispersed and took on the language of the local society. In Palestine, the use of Hebrew was academic and it was employed for ritualistic purposes. This typically involved the recitation of the scriptures in the ancient tongue. Although many male Jews would have some familairity with the language, this was a very specialized task and typically done by the more learned -- Scribes or Priests. Hardly anyone would have enough of a grasp of the Hebrew language to make functional use ot it.
The majority language of the Empire was Greek, with a large portion of the western Empire speaking Latin. Aramaic was the dominant language for the inhabitants of first-century Palestine.

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Grizz
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Message 121 of 560 (475120)
07-13-2008 1:07 PM


An interesting discovery was made recently.
The Times & The Sunday Times
You have probably heard this story regarding a stone tablet that has been dated to the turn of the first century. The owner claims it contains an inscription that provides a missing link between Judaism and early Christian resurrection beliefs.
Although it is an interesting find, scholars are approaching it with a bit of skepticism as there really is not any conclusive opinion as to the authenticity of the inscription, given the fact that there are some anomalies with the ink and surface structure.
"The ink is badly faded on much of the tablet, known as Gabriel’s Vision of Revelation, which was written rather than engraved in the 1st century BC. This has led some experts to claim that the inscription has been misinterpreted. "
There appears to be some debate and confusion over the exact translation of the inscription. Also, with any new find, one has to always be aware of the possibility of tampering and forgery that occurred at a date after the origin of the tablet.
This appears to be one of those cases where one must proceed with a bit of caution before drawing any final conclusions. Regardless, this is a good example of how Historians go about reconstruction and analysis, usually slowly and in bits and pieces.
It will be interesting to see what further testing and analysis reveals. If a consensus is reached that the inscription is indeed authentic and the inscription does translate as stated, then this would certainly be a find that increases our understanding of the factors that played a part in the acceptance of early Christian beliefs among contemporary Jews.

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