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imnotbncre8ive
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Message 8 of 12 (479427)
08-27-2008 5:06 AM


The refutation is appreciated. But I think scientists have been over this so many times their hair has begun to fall out. ID was never about scientific inquiry, only about advancing their agenda of injecting religion into public schools. Valid refutations are invaluable for convincing the undecided, those who are misled into believing there is a scientific controversy here. For the rest of the hardcore faithful, its a waste of time. They don't care that they do not conduct science, they devote their resources to a successful public relations campaign. I believe scientists should respond in kind, but so far I do not know of any organized attempt to do so at the level that Discovery Institute has done.
In the Dover trial, even after presented with a mountain of evidence against his claims of irreducible complexity in his three famous cases (bacterial flagellum, blood clotting system, immune system), Behe continued to insist that the evidence was "not enough". This is antithetical to the very spirit of science. We can only shake our heads and move on to more productive endeavors.
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imnotbncre8ive
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Message 10 of 12 (479432)
08-27-2008 6:23 AM


Haha, thank you for the welcome. I could not fall asleep, hence my post then and now. I suppose I meant that they are not interested in conducting science as we and all professional scientists accept it. They conduct the pseudo-science that they hope to replace science with, which consists wholly of misinterpretation, misrepresentation, and dishonesty. William Dembski and other creationists love using Hoyle's fallacy. (Junkyard tornado - Wikipedia)
William Dembski loves appealing to his brainchild 'specified complexity', which he is very adept at using to mislead individuals with no experience in advanced mathematics and information theory. Even mathematicians discredit intelligent design by concluding 'specified complexity' is essentially garbage.
The individuals who visit Dembski's blog are misguided, ignorant, and perhaps uneducated (though my impression is that ID is the 'educated' believer's version of YEC).
I am young and inexperienced in the ways of the world, and I have only realized very recently that America is perhaps the only developed nation that still contests the validity of evolution by natural selection. It came as a bit of a shock, to be honest.
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imnotbncre8ive
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Message 12 of 12 (479503)
08-27-2008 8:53 PM


I'm American too, and I agree with your corrections. Although, I am not sure about them out-fucking everyone. They're into the abstinence... OR ELSE... methodology. No condoms! They teach that in poor countries like Africa, and look at the success we have in combating AIDS.
I recently read the book "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America" by Chris Hedges. It concerns the Christian Dominionist movement and draws parallels between it and fascism. The point that unsettles me most is their fervent belief that they are called upon by God to 'take dominion' over America, and perhaps even the other nations. If you are interested in this, I encourage you to investigate this book. Or maybe this is old news to everyone by now. I for one only recently stumbled upon it.

  
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