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subbie
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Message 28 of 37 (501886)
03-08-2009 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Jon
03-08-2009 12:38 PM


Amending the Constitution, or proposing to amend it, or even proposing to toss it out and start over, are not treason. But the President completely ignoring it and acting directly in contradiction of it is treason.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 33 of 37 (501893)
03-08-2009 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by kuresu
03-08-2009 12:55 PM


I think you're putting words into Jon's mouth.
He didn't say any of those things would be good. He was making the point that any of those things could be done to the Constitution without it being treason, which is correct. I absolutely agree with you that the changes you describe would be terrible, but an Amendment doing those things, or a proposal to amend the Constitution to do those things would not be treasonous.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 34 of 37 (501896)
03-08-2009 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Jon
03-08-2009 12:59 PM


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Nonsense, many of us do things everyday that fly in the face of the Constitution.
Nonsense. Very little of what's in the Constitution acts as a restriction of the rights of private citizens. The fact that you had to go back 80years to an Amendment that's no longer in effect demonstrates my point.
The only people who are in a position to do things every day that fly in the face of the Constitution are those in some capacity of government. And, while the government is bloated far in excess of what the framers had in mind, there is still only a small percentage of the population that works for the government.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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