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Author Topic:   Bush considered restrictions to the first ammendment!
kuresu
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Message 2 of 37 (500867)
03-02-2009 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jazzns
03-02-2009 6:04 PM


Fear not, the AP now has an article on it.
Outside the scope of your OP, but it's worth mentioning that the Bush administration also considered the 4th amendment to be null and void while fighting terrorism.
What's the bet that had McCain won we would not be hearing about these internal memos and opinions from the OLC, as well as other related info?

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kuresu
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Message 19 of 37 (501353)
03-05-2009 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by dronestar
03-05-2009 3:05 PM


Re: The most infuriating thing...
However, specifically, the re-election of Pelosi still stands as an exception to the rule. Pelosi wasn't running against only Republicans Walsh and Berg. And, Pelosi's 71.56 percent of the vote, beat anti-war, anti-Bush Sheehan's 17.19 percent. That's a massacre.
I would have thought eight years of Bush's crimes and Pelosi's enabling would have caused an opposite outcome. And yet, the population OVERWELMINGLY re-elected Pelosi. Man, this sticks in my craw.
You know, perhaps her district just doesn't feel the same way about her as you do. Perhaps they don't think she's a Bush enabler, or maybe they just don't care. And yes, she was elected to the 8th district with 71.7% of the vote in 2008, but in 2006, she commanded 80.4, and 2004 she won with 83%. Her average is 81.53% of the vote. So her last election saw an erosion of 12% of her vote share average. She's also been there since 1992, and we all know the power of the incumbency (how exactly did Lieberman win as an independent?).

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kuresu
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Message 25 of 37 (501567)
03-06-2009 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by New Cat's Eye
03-06-2009 11:57 AM


Re: To get somewhat back on topic
Obama is the biggest cult of personality I have seen in my lifetime
I presume you aren't old enough then to recall Mao Zedong, Stalin, or Kim Il-Sung.
What, exactly, makes you think Obama is a cult of personality? His high popularity rating? People obsessing over him?
Of course, from what I've been reading, Reagan is a cult of personality if Obama is one.

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kuresu
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Message 29 of 37 (501888)
03-08-2009 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Jon
03-08-2009 12:38 PM


so changing the constitution to allow cruel and unusual punishment, to allow the suppression of dissent, to force a single religion, or to eliminate any number of vital rights is all right? After all, you said changing the constitution in any way, changing any piece of it, should not be considered wrong.
Quite frankly, some changes are not good whatsoever, and those changes are those that seek to reduce or eliminate our inalienable rights.

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kuresu
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Message 35 of 37 (501900)
03-08-2009 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Jon
03-08-2009 1:00 PM


Right. And how did you use treason? As if it was something undesirable to do. Something wrong to do.
People are thrown in jail for doing something others consider wrong. In your example, that wrong action was changing the constitution. Changing the constitution was considered treasonous.
Putting words in your mouth? I don't think so.

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