Earth of Genesis 1:9

Hi shalamabobbi, It might not create mountains but it would sure reveal a lot of mountains.The longest mountain range in the world is in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. I don't get where you get the impression Peg is YEC. I argued too many days with Peg about making the six days of creation into long periods of time.My earth is older than Peg's or sciences. So I got no problem with time.shalamabobbi when I do all that studying and examining everything at my disposal I have to come to some conclusions.Any conclusion I make will be determined by taking the word of some man.It boils down to who do you trust?Those who let you down and change every time you turn around.Or someone who has never let you down, and has never changed.I choose my Friend who has never let me down.You make your own choice.We will both live and die with out choices.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Peg, No. It says the fountains of the deep.That means the springs in the ocean floor opened up.The Hebrew word transliterated tĕhowm has the primary meaning of:1) deep, depths, deep places, abyss, the deep, sea.If you will notice your abyss is fourth in line.In the LXX the Greek word buthos with the meaning of:The bottom or depth of the sea, the sea itself, the deep sea.No abyss mentioned. If you are bound and determined to have a water or ice canopy around the Earth, I guess you just have to have one.The Hebrew word transliterated 'arubbah has the meaning of:
1) lattice, window,Do you know the difference between a floodgate and a window?You can be sure the springs of the deep was opened up because the Bible says so in Genesis 7:11. Actually there was a time when there was no oceans.Genesis 2:5 tells us it had never rained.The only water mentioned in the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, was a river. In Genesis 2:19 the man named all the creatures God had created, but it's very odd there was no water creatures created. Must have been because there was no oceans. So science was right, land before oceans. But there is 5 times the amount of water in the oceans that is in the Earth's mantel. There is a vast difference in a window, (small opening) and flood-gate (very large opening).God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, Intrude all you want. There are many who try to put dates to events in the Bible. They go about it in many ways. As in Rrhain's timeline.But the truth is the Bible does not give any dates for anything.The closest the Bible comes to giving a date is in Genesis 1:1.It says in the beginnings, but puts no actual dates on it. In other words Moses did not say in the year of our Lord xxxxxxxBC.Many say well Moses did not write the first five books of the Bible. But those books say he did.Some say well Moses could not write and there was nothing to write on.Well the people Moses was leading had been making clay bricks for some 400 years and Moses was educated in the house of Pharaoh.There are clay tablets with writings on them that have been dated to 10k years as I understand it.If there was known writings and materials to write on Moses wrote.But as to your question when these events took place my guess would be just as bad as anybody's else's so I won't guess. If I understant the article, the tree in the picture you see is not 8k years old but what the tree is growing out of is. Is that correct?But they should be able to find things a lot older than that.Genesis 1:11 tells us God called the grass, the herb, and the fruit tree, from their seed which was in the ground which had been covered with water.That reminds me of when I was just a boy, we have a small lake that joins our property. Back in the 50's it went dry. So we set up a football field in the lake because the peat on the bottom was spongy and we could fall without getting hurt.But before long all kinds of things were growing from this peat.The lake would fill up and stay full for a year or two and then go dry again. The same plants in the same place would grow again.Then the lake would fill up again and stay full for several years and then go dry again. Plants just like the ones before would appear again. None of these plants were growing anywhere in the area.Also each time the lake filled up fish would appear again.I always thought that was amazing.That said, the land mass that was in one place was covered with water and just as soon as the water went back to where it came from the seed began to produce everything that was there before.There is no way of knowing what the sea level of the land mass was.This land mass was then divided which caused much land mass to be pushed up from the sea floor in different places explaining how there are sea creature fossils in and on mountains.Water gets into the mantel by subduction and there is 5 times the amount of water there than is in the oceans.If the land mass was instantly divided there would have been an awful lot of heat unless a miracle was performed. That heat would have caused a lot of water to go somewhere. Nice article, but you do know that the plant you was looking at is 300 or less years old as that is their life span.It thrives in, "the cold wet gloom of Tasmanian gullies,".Water then should not pose this plant a problem.A little examination.The age of the tree was estimated.Remains were tested for age.Concerning the creosote tree, "scientists have estimated the age of "King Clone" as 11,700 years"We estimate, guess and a lot of other things that is fine.But not when those things are presented as fact leaving out the estimated as is too often the case.Food for thought.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Mich, I can find no Lexicons that give the definitions you spin out in Message 26So you will excuse me if I don't accept your definitions.If not claim anything you desire.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, What geological column?My flood would not produce one.It would be more like the Bay of Fundy except there would be no low tide.All the fresh water springs of the deep opened up and the ocean overflowed onto the land mass.All the land mass was in one place.There is no way of knowing what the sea level of that land mass was. Which would determine how much water was needed to cover it. I would assume from roots that was in the lake that had been there for many, many years.The lake was not restocked ever. It went dry too often. It had no inlet or outlet.It was probably restocked by birds.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, The 6 days in Genesis 1:2-Genesis 2:3 are not the original creation. It is the process of fixing some things that got messed up.Creation took place in Genesis 1:1The generations (history) of that light period is given in Genesis 2:4-Genesis 4:24. This says creation took place in one light period, Not 6.The only water on the earth was from the river that divided into four rivers.Everything was watered by the mist that come from the ground.There was no oceans as there was no water creatures created in the beginning of the day of Genesis 1:1. I believe that during the light period of Genesis 1:1 There were men, animals, birds, on earth, and at some point there was much water and then water creatures were created.During this light period God prepared all the things we would need that we use today. Whatever animals and vegetation required was provided.But I only believe in one cycle in Genesis 1:1 and then a cycle of rebirth in Genesis 1:2-Genesis 2:3.In Genesis 1:2 we find that there is no dry land, everything is covered with water.We don't have land until Genesis 1:9, 10.Where God had all the water to gather in one place and the dry land mass appeared, that I have been talking about in this thread.Since all land was underwater for a period, that would explain how all the fossils appear on and in mountains.That land mass then had to be divided into the present day configuration. Which was noted in Genesis 10:25.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, Genesis 1:1 being in darkness is an assumption based on what?Genesis 1:2 being in darkness is a Biblical fact, according to the Bible. This does not say which side of the earth light was on, does it?Prior to that it seems the earth was covered from light because of some reason.We know that when some of the metorite hit the earth it was darkened for years. There goes the theory that plants can't survive without direct sunlight. So a division was made between light and darkness. The light portion God called day.The dark portion God called night.The light portion of the day of Genesis 1:1 had been spent, as we come to the dark portion in Genesis 1:2.Twelve (12) hours later when light appeared was the beginning of day 2. Actually for an extended period there was nothing but land on the planet earth other than the river that divided into 4 rivers according to the Bible.When the oceans came about is not addressed in the BibleBut doesn't the scientific version have a dry earth to begin with?There was enough water on planet earth in Genesis 1:2 to cover the land mass as there was no dry land. The Bible does not say how long this condition had lasted. According to some scientist in Japan there is enough water in the earth's mantel to fill our oceans 5 times.You can find the reference Here.There is plenty of water if extracted that would cover Mt. Everest as it stands in the present.There is no problem with the volume of water necessary to cover the land mass. Huh!There was a period of light that lasted for an undetermined period on planet earth when there was no sea just a tropical lush earth that grew things to humungus sizes. Plants and animals alike.Science tells us that period was billion's of years.So, are you saying in that period the geological column could not be formed?That sounds rough on the theory that opposes creation. Why? Why does man being here in the beginning pose a problem for the geological column being formed.We got people all over the world digging up things that was buried in the last couple of thousand year's.A billion years from now wouldn't that be a part of the geological column? Now you revert back to the YEC earth.There is a lot of uplifted land mass today that pre-flood was ocean floor. Thus the fossil shells on and in mountains.At one time there was a tropical land mass world wide. No ocean.Animals could wander anywhere they desired.I think I read somewhere that they found tropical animals in the arctic circle.Keep in mind God was preparing planet earth for modern's mans eventual arrival.An no the humans who inhabited the Genesis 1:1 earth was not just like modern man.I would assume them to be far superior to us, but they did degenerate.That man was formed from the dust of the earth and God breathed the breath of life into him and he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7.Modern man was spoken into existence in the image and likeness of God male and female at the same time. The female was not formed from the rib of the man as was the one in Genesis 2:22. What is the problem with that?God created whatever He need to serve His purpose and plan.That would explain how all of a sudden in our geological column new creatures appeared fully functional.Some scientist put forth punctual equilibrium to account for the sudden appearances of these creatures.My first car I rode on was a Model A Ford and it served it's purpose.
But those that exist today have a hard time navigating our super highways. Therefore the automobile has changed.God had specific thing for specific occasions and purposes.Could you imagine some of the very large animals existing on earth today.Talk about a traffic jam.Why couldn't He change them as He completed certain aspect of preparing the earth for modern man? That maybe your assumption.I think I stated God provided whatever was necessary.God began creating in Genesis 1:1 after a long extended period of light (daylight period of day one of Genesis 1:5) that had ended in Genesis 1:2 with darkness with the added 12 hours of darkness God declared to be day one.There then follows 5 days in which God caused some things to reappear and created some new things.At the end of that 6 day period God ceased from creating.He will resume creating in the future, but at present is not creating.I have had the opportunity to live on one of the most beautiful islands in the world, Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands.The land mass of that island is 27 miles long and 7 miles wide at the widest point. Not a very large place. It is very possible that the land mass in Genesis 1:9, 10 was no larger than Grand Cayman, Cuba or any other number of islands. The rest of our now land mass covered with water.The Bible does not say how large it was, only that dry land was to appear.Genesis 10:25 then tells us it was divided in Peleg's days.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi,You are giving my musings too much credit calling them a model. It is presently chemically bound.But where did it come from? How did it get in the mantle? Here and HereIt tell us water gets in the mantle through subduction.If it gets there by subduction it comes from the surface.When did enough water get there to fill our oceans 5 times? I don't care anything about getting the water out of the mantle to flood the earth.I am pointing out that it gets in the mantle by subduction. So that means that possibly all that water was on the surface at one time, or at least the majority of it. Yes, as change was needed. I don't see where taking materials and creating something is anything special. I been creating things since I was 10 when my father and I built a house.I do see where nothing (absence of life) becoming something is very special creation and especially if it does it all by it's self. Isn't it amazing how so many different creatures came on the scene at one time without any apparent common ancestor.Doesen't that speak to instant creation rather that billions of changes over millions of years. What's the problem?Those volcanos were not always covered with water. When the became covered with water they did not cease to build the islands.When the continents moved to their present position the shifting of the land masses caused land to rise in many places, why not the islands.You ever wonder why the Hawaiian islands don't have any native land animals. Everything they have had to fly there, swim (float) or be carried there.It was not part of the land mass that was divided therefore animals had not scattered out over it. Does your thinking make it true or false?The land mass was in one place in time past. The land masses are where they are today. That is a fact we can agree on. But that is exactly what you would expect to find if the land mass was divided after the flood.You guys keep hinting at massive destruction with a flood the nature of one told of in the Bible.On low tide at the Bay of Fundy there is dry land.At high tide there is 55' of water where that dry land was.This happens twice a day and you can't tell the difference from one day to the next. I have no problem with the sun and moon being made (`asah) on the fourth day.Because they were created (bara') in Genesis 1:1.In Genesis 1:16 God had to do some work to make the sun and mood visible as the light was not reaching the earth.Something similar to what has happened when the asteroid hit the Yucatan Peninsula. All the soot and dust generated by this impact would have caused night like conditions for at least six months and the earth would have been covered with a Sulfuric acid cloud for a decade.So what is the problem since the sun and moon was there a long time before Genesis 1:2? Yea the Hemlock trees in Alaska have a real hard time dealing with the 6 months of light and 6 months of darkness.Bring their seedlings south and they grow at the same rate per year, almost like they were running on a self contained program.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi shalamabobbi, Who was there to record these events?Can they be duplicated?If not they are just the musings of some crackpot like me.You must believe and accept it by faith. The water that is there, gets there by subduction whether it takes billions of years or a nano second. Send me the raw material and I will see what I can do to accommodate you.Although science has failed to produce life, with the proper raw material I might be able to achieve that.Now if you want to get real and need a house constructed out of building materials that we can obtain drop me a line. Your ability to reason and make choices make you human and not a machine. Darwin sure did not believe it took place suddenly.Evolution predicted nothing of the sort until it was discovered that it happened that way. What does the continents dividing have to do with the Hawaiian Islands other than possibly to cause them to be lifted up. Why?They were not assigned their jobs of ruling over day and night until Genesis 1:17, 18.Until that time God had been the light and there had been no darkness until the evening we find in Genesis 1:2. They would grow just like they do in the 6 months of light if it was continual light.Time only matters to man.God gave the sun and the moon the job of giving us something to measure time by.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Why do you assume I am using an Interlinear program?I do consult with them after I have done my study.I use the LXX as my Bible study tool.I also study the available Hebrew Texts.The oldest Hebrew Texts are 700 years younger than the oldest LXX Texts.Jesus and the apostles quoted the LXX.Philo and Josephus ascribed divine inspiration to its authors.Some of the Dead Sea scrolls attest to Hebrew texts other than those on which the Masoretic Text was based.In many cases, these newly found texts accord with the LXX version.The oldest surviving codices of LXX date to the fourth century CE.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Michamus, I have said nothing about not being able to find the lexicons.I have four in my library.I have access to two others on the internet.What I am saying is I can find no lexicon that gives the definiton of the Hebrew words that you give.Can you supply the lexicon that does. The oldest LXX texts are 700 years older than the oldest Hebrew text.The Dead Sea Scrolls agree with the LXX.The Apostles quoted the LXX.Jesus quoted the LXX.If it was good enough for the Apostles, and Jesus it is good enough for me. Time has nothing to do with it.Translators that copied the earlier texts changing them to agree with their belief system and then destroying the old texts, destroys the quality of "God's Word".God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Michamus, Your link to message 28 is my message.In your first message, Message 26 you gave your definition and assertions but you provided no source.In your second message Message 45 you provided no source.Your third post, Message 63 was to Granny.Your fourth post, Message 89 you tell me you are still waiting.Your fifth post, Message 104 you ask, "Out of curiousity, what Interlinear program are you using?"Your sixth post, Message 106 you talk about the LXX and interlinear.This is your seventh post in this thread that I am answering now.There is no source supplied in any of the messages for your definitions and assertions made in Message 26.So no you have not supplied a source as of yet.If you are saying in this message you provided a source for your definitions in message 26 would you please copy and paste the section into a message to me. The only thing God is supposed to have claimed to write was when Moses recorded that God wrote with His finger in the tablets of stone the ten commandments.And yes man is making a mess out of God's Word with these modern day interpertations of what God meant.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Michamus, For the simple reason that you are giving me the definitions of Ancient Hebrew Words.Those words have meanings.There are books called lexicons that deal with the meaning of Ancient Hebrew Words.No Lexicon that I have or can find has the definitions you give.So for all I know you are just making the definitions up, or snatching them out of thin air.So give me a source where I can find the definitions you put forth, or quit wasting my time.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."