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Author Topic:   1 piece of evidence to disprove evolution..
Karl
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Message 3 of 85 (50534)
08-14-2003 10:40 AM


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Hi, I'm merely curious as to how one would actually disprove evolution ( as opposed to creationism ).
Simply put, I dont have the neccesary knowlege to disprove anything really as
1. I dont have a degree in Geology forinstance, or in microbiology etc.
2. I really dont have the time to get a degree just so I can have a discussion
However I'm merely curious as to what it would take to change an evolutionists mind ?
Mouse bones in fossilised dinosaur turds. Grass in a fossilised diplodocus stomach. Rabbits in a Cambrian deposit. Dimetrodon bones with marks from human butchering. Lots of possible observations that would really screw evolutionary theory.
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Personally I find the avian evolution theory very suspect,
Why?
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however I'm wondering what would be the consequences if someone could provide one foolproof piece of evidence to disprove evolution, would that mean everyone would disbelieve evolution
Of course it would. We don't go around believing things we know aren't true. Some Fundamentalist Christians seem to want me to, but it doesn't work that way for me.
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or would there be some theory on the anomaly, would it inspire a new theory (similar to evolution) or would everyone actually just abandon their beliefs ?
It depends on exactly what the falsification was. The new theory would have to explain the existing evidence, and the anomoly.
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I've heard explanations for the Big bang and many other explantions, however unless one can reproduce those events, I dont see how it can be proved ? I mean, surely its all hypothetical in any case ?
You do not need to be able to reproduce things to develop models of them, or draw scientific conclusions.
Hypothesis and theory are not the same thing. Hypothetical means "guesswork" to you here, I imagine. There's a lot more than guesswork going on here. Unless you imagine that all those people in prison, convicted on forensic evidence, are there purely on guesswork? We have theories. We also have hypotheses. We're very clear on which are which.
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Anyway, hope to hear some opinions.
Glad to oblige.

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Karl
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Message 7 of 85 (50571)
08-14-2003 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Zealot
08-14-2003 12:25 PM


It probably should be a seperate topic.
First - a quick Latin lesson. The singular of species is species. 'Specie' is not a word used in Biology, but is found in coinage. It's a minor thing I know, but (a) it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about and (b) it irritates me no end.
Moving on - the suggestion, as I understand it, is that feathers are the first stage. Feathers do not just enable flight - birds are covered with them, not just on their wings. They insulate. And this may have been their primary function.
The fact that fossil birds (e.g. Archaeopteryx) with fully functional wings still have functional claws on those wings gives a clue to the further evolution. The forelimbs were just that, albeit feathered (for insulation). In the same way as flying squirrels have done, it is not hard to envisage an arboreal reptile developing a gliding ability. From there, any modification - such as large 'flight' feathers such as those on a birds wing - that assist in gliding, in this case by massively increasing the area of the flight surface whilst adding little to weight, is going to be a benefit.
Since we are talking about gliding, these feathers do not need to be the highly specialised flight feathers of flying birds. But again, these, dependent on the barb and hook mechanism, are not hard to explain. If you are extending a gliding surface by putting feathers on the trailing edge, anything that makes the 'veins' of your feather stick together a bit is going to be of benefit, because it improves the air resistance.
This is conjecture; it may not have happened this way. But it demonstrates there is at least one way it can happen.

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