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Topic: Mythology with real places & people
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 1 of 289 (509562)
05-22-2009 12:31 PM
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Peg writes in the Topic "Is belief in God or the Bible necessary to believe in a massive flood."
the question ppl have to ask themselves is would a book of myth and legend contain so many real places and people and dates and times while Coragyps writes
Hmmm...that might be worth a thread - a comparison of the Iliad and Odyssey, with all the Real Places they mention, to the Pentateuch. I don't see a "glaringly obvious" difference, Peg. Where is it? Now then what is the point. Does one agree with Peg or with Coragyps or neither? Does mythology containing real places make it non-mythological. Even in modern writing , many fictitious stories contain real people & places ie: Gone with the Wind. Edited by bluescat48, : sp
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 8 of 289 (509618)
05-22-2009 10:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by onifre
05-22-2009 8:01 PM
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She is right that some are real ie; Ashurbanipal, Nebechanezzar, Cyrus, Xerxes, Augustus & Tiberias and such places as Gallilee, Judaea, Egypt, Jericho etc. But yes as to the Hebrew & Xtian people there is no corroborating evidence of their existence.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 10 of 289 (509806)
05-25-2009 7:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
05-22-2009 8:30 PM
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Challenge
Does that body of data prove that the Iliad and Odyssey are accurate history in every particular? I say no, of course not! It proves that storytellers are darn good at weaving realistic, convincing detail into their stories. And I challenge Peg or any other person who claims that the stories in the Bible are somehow "different" to show even a smidgen of any basis for that "difference" beyond "because I want it to be so." You can't do it. Evidently they can't, no one has answered your challenge.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 12 of 289 (510362)
05-30-2009 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Peg
05-26-2009 12:52 AM
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Bump for Peg
4 days ago you said you would be coming to this topic shortly. Are you going to give some input?
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 20 of 289 (510882)
06-04-2009 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Phat
06-04-2009 8:22 AM
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Re: Try Again
Phat writes: Perhaps a good question to ask ourselves is this: If there were no evidence, would it change our basic beliefs? Do we need evidence to strengthen our faith? This is what I was attempting to bring out in this topic, basically whether one needs evidence or not. Each individual is going to believe whatever he wants. Some, such as I, need physical evidence others, such as Peg, apparently don't. The fact that actual places appear in writings give no creedence to whether the events pictured are real or mythological. the same goes for people named in the story.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 29 of 289 (510993)
06-05-2009 11:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Peg
06-05-2009 6:00 AM
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Re: Try Again
I don't think that anyone is denying those towns existed, the point is how does the fact that they are listed prove that God exits, or that that Bible is true. That is the evidence we are asking for. Give us this evidence.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 35 of 289 (511114)
06-06-2009 8:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Peg
06-06-2009 2:03 AM
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Re: Try Again
Peg writes: what it proves is that the bible is based on fact and not fiction. This gives the books of the bible a certain degree of authority because their truthfulness is seen in archeology. So does the Illiad & Gone With the Wind and most historical fiction writing.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 36 of 289 (511115)
06-06-2009 8:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Peg
06-06-2009 5:46 AM
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Re: The key point needs addressing
Peg writes: On the other hand, no bible characters claim to have any special powers, or be born from any gods. Samson comes to mind.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 49 of 289 (511297)
06-09-2009 12:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Peg
06-09-2009 12:19 AM
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Re: Achilles Heel
Peg writes: a lot of miraculous events occurred though, and miracles dont just happen and no man can perform the miracles mentioned without some supernatural intervention Except there is no evidence that any of these miracles occurred.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 56 of 289 (511305)
06-09-2009 5:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 51 by Peg
06-09-2009 2:55 AM
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Re: Achilles Heel
Peg writes: The city was excavated in the 1930's and they found that the double walls surrounding the city had fallen down the slope as if toppled by an earthquake or some other unseen force. Which is probably what happened, an earthquake. You keep trying to use the Bible to prove itself.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 62 of 289 (511328)
06-09-2009 12:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Peg
06-09-2009 6:55 AM
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Re: Achilles Heel
Peg writes: You stated there was no evidence for the miraculous events in the bible accounts yet archeology keeps finding them. Name one.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 82 of 289 (511579)
06-10-2009 2:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by Peg
06-10-2009 4:53 AM
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Peg writes: its about a particular God and that God has been in existence from times immemorial. Based on your faith. Other than this is irrelevant to the topic. it matters not whether your God exists from times immemorial or not. The point is that just because a real person or place is mentioned in writings does not give any creedence to the actuality of the story. Edited by bluescat48, : typos
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Try Again
Catholic Scientist writes: That is a law. Its is not a myth and it is not a legend. It is in the Bible. Ergo, the Bible contains something that is not a myht or a legend. I'll give you a partial correctness on the above. The mythological part is the fact that there is no evidence of where these laws came from, ie: Historical Fiction Edited by bluescat48, : missing word Edited by bluescat48, : see edit 1
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Try Again
I didn't realize this was an English class, ever hear of of typo, as for your quote, check your original. I pasted just what you wrote. as for the adjective it will be corrected.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Re: Try Again
How does lacking evidence of the source of a law make that law a myth? I didn't say the law was a myth but that the source was a myth.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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