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Topic: YEC without the bible, possible?
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Interesting
Firstly this is an American poll. If a worldwide poll was conducted I think the percentages would be very different. You are probably correct there. In countries with widespread literacy, more like 25% of the public gives any credence to YEC ideas. I haven't seen any data for scientists, but 5% YEC sounds startlingly large to me. http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind06/c7/c7s2.htm
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Interesting
Because I believe history has demonstrated, that any new concept/theory is introduced to society through one person, or small group, and usually finds much opposition from the educated people of the day. Indeed. The ideas of an Earth much older than Genesis would allow, like Hutton proposed, and of descent with modification, from Darwin, caused pretty big controversies. But they won out.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Evolution, though originally a biological theory, is now a figurehead term, which includes all disciplines that seek to describe how everything came to be as it is now, buy natural means alone. Only the creationist side of the evo/cre debate, and the people they have hoodwinked, say this. Biologists don't. Astronomers and geologists don't.
Perhapps the reason why most educated people accept evolution, is for the same reason why most uneducated people accept it. Most uneducated people in the US accept Special Creation. Or did you not type what you meant to say there?
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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In regards to historical events, which would provide more conclusive evidence, an archaeologist picking through rubble, or a book recording an eye witness account? That would depend an awful lot on the book, and the evidence to support if 1) it truly was an eyewitness account, and 2) what agendas the eyewitness(es)/authors claiming to be so had when they wrote it. I would think that diaries of the events of, say, World War II, would differ on some major points if one was written by a Brit and another by a German, even if you were certain that both were authentic first-person accounts. And we have nothing at all in any Christianity's holy books even remotely approaching an eyewitness account of anything before, say, 800 BC. Certainly not of "creation."
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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If God really did create the world in six days, could He have communicated this any clearer, than what He has already done in Genesis? He certainly could have made it very clear, by simply leaving even a speck of physical evidence that pointed to that conclusion. But curiously enough, all the evidence discovered since 1800 points the other way. As some theist here has pointed out, "God wrote the rocks. Men wrote the Bible. Who are you going to believe?"
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Saying that God could have made a clear point in the rocks, is in total disregard to what God has already said in the scriptures. Already said in the scriptures? Are you saying the Torah was written before the rocks were laid down? I don't think even your scriptures agree with you there, MR.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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From the plain words that you wrote, MR. Scripture wasn't "already" when the Siberian Traps erupted. Reality trumps written-down origin myth. Every time.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Is Genesis metaphoric?
This and other verses indicate that Adam & eve were originally created to live forever. Off topic, I suppose, but Genesis 3:22 disagrees with you:
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: YEC is implied in Bible.
Stop means stop. Go means go. But immovable doesn't mean immovable, right? It means "spinning once a day, going around the Sun at 66,000 mph, and travelling with the Sun at 12 miles per second towards Lyra." Right. It's far past time, MR, for you to show some of that non-Biblical evidence for a young Earth. Edited by Coragyps, : typo
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