Evidence of Jesus in the entire bible.

"You said he would rule soon, an hour is soon but how can 2000 years be soon?"Entertain the possibility of an infinite being; and determine the amounts of time that must elapse for that being to distinguish between which amounts are referred to as either "immediately" or "a while ago" (etc.) . It would seem, outwardly, that 2000 years may possibly fit the regiments of time relativity whereby an infinite being may constitute that amount of time as "soon".In reference to where one anothers proof is; assume since neither party can bring any remarkable proof to the table in order to substantiate this claim, one way or another, it will cause less circling by not requesting such evidence from one another."Well the theological claims can only be affirmed or denied, because there is no way to test them."Cross that off the list also, agreed...It is possible for one, without regard for all supported and unsupported opinions and evidence, agreeable or arguable, to claim the possibility that not only did Jesus of Nazareth never exist, but that Israel has never existed either.Most mainstream religions today (Judaism, Muslim, Buddhism, etc.), educated disciples or non-educated, are reserved to the belief that Jesus of Nazareth was an influential teacher, compassionate healer, or a genuine prophet. It seems the debate very often resides in the Messianic claims...whether or not Jesus Christ (or whatever one calls him) is the "Son o' God". Such claims would be of little relevance to one who had no prior belief in a higher power.------------------
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Suppose the people whom which the prophecy was originally spoken to were but a vehicle to transport said prophecy to a future generation to which the subject spoken on would have relevance and meaning. It is not unheard of, in terms of general prophecy, for a prophecy to be fulfilled a generation or more after it was uttered....(although 2000 years certainly stretches a time line). If it was even said, maybe it was presented that way to them as to incite motivation and fervency, in the midst of questionable times and truths
Logically, it wouldn't be surprising that cynics have a hard time believing in anything that is not tangible. Atheists want proof as to the existence of God. Occasionally, the tables are turned and the atheist is required to furnish proof as to the non-existence of God. Both are equally reasonable requests; and yet both seem basically impossible as far as science is concerned to answer.
And that leaves one with the Bible's claims being a "believer's" evidence of the existence of God and the authenticity of those same claims as an atheist's platform for their belief of God's nonexistence. The one has faith in the accuracy of the Bible and the other has faith in the fallacy of the Bible.
So it is not really a scientific debate at all but, seemingly, a question of faith."I think most arguments are over whether Jesus is actually God. As to his messianic claims, I really do not see where he has fulfilled any of the Jewish messianic prophecies...."
- Sounds like the possible beginning to an interesting new thread, Brian ;o)------------------
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Oh, by the way....greetings everyone and thank you for your welcoming me Brian....

I don't believe that dinosaurs had a spoken language, although someone else may believe that they did. Let's suppose, for a moment, that in prehistoric times dinosaurs did communicate in a spoken language...would the fact that there is no available proof in terms of recorded documents, eye witness, audio recordings (as of present) to substantiate the claim indicate the dinosaurs who did speak were any less audible to one another.I'm questioning the infallibility of proof in general.
More reasonably, hasn't electricity existed for thousands and thousands of years; although on a perspective time line we have only just begun to learn how to harness its potential. Would you have been correct in the year 1526 to state that electricity did not exist or that it had not been harnessed. Considering in 1752, Benjamin Franklin PROVED that lightning was electricity and that it could be guided by flying a kite during a thunderstorm (note-though he didn't kill himself doing this, two of his assistants were electrocuted, so never play with kites in thunderstorms...or near overhead electricity pylons), I think it would be more appropriate to state that the proper theory to prove the existence of electricity did not exist until the mid 1700's; being that it is apparent that the natural components that electricity consists of have been hard at work : long before it was "provably" discovered.Is the existence of any particular dictated by the availability of a successful theory(proof)?One can't always assume something has never come into existence based only on a lack of proof......Look at OJ Simpson...he blatantly murdered two people, yet he was "proved" not guilty(lol)------------------
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Firstly, there are a plethora of prophecies concerning the Second Coming of Jesus appearing in the Bible (not all directed towards the disciples*); Titus 2:13, *Revelation 19:16, Luke21:28, etc.What verse(s) are you referring to? Deduct from what is left....

• some/all are genuine
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• some/all are bogus
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• one is genuine,some/most are bogus

It's a shot in the dark once faith is removed from the picture, whether Atheist or Catholic or regardless of ones preference or belief.poke & hopeLove,
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"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Hi Paul (and everyone else,too),

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Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. 7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains...

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Whether to inform or comfort them, Jesus explicitly told them to not be alarmed if they saw these things come to pass during their lifetime. They were told ''Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.''(still to come=not here yet). The anti-Xs', earthquakes, famines, and rumors of war are simulated to the beginnings of birth pangs. The fulfillment of said criteria was of no indication to the disciples that the end would be near.

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10And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.

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All nations were not yet established during the lifetime of the disciples. Although, if it referred only to the nations in existence at the time of the disciples, it would have been obvious to them that the "gospel" could not realistically be "preached" to all the existing nations during only the remainder of their half spent lives(appr.30-40 yrs.). Most likely the disciples understood they were undertaking a new belief system that would presumably take a lot of organization,time,energy, and commitment to present to "all nations"...considerably longer than one half of a lifetime (especially when countered with great opposition.).

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When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation'[1] standing where it[2] does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

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Isn't the reader blatantly addressed in terms of witnessing the 'the abomination that causes desolation'. Although speaking to the disciples privately, there is an indication here that the message was also intended for some other people, hence; " let the reader understand". After all, he didn't say," Now pay attention guys, Mark, Matt, Luke...when you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong, run for the hills"

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"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30I tell you the truth, this generation[5] will certainly not pass away until ALL these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

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In context, "this generation" seems to refer to the one that will witness the fulfillment of the *latter(ALL) of the prophecies. *One who is dead may no longer witness the prophecies fulfillment in its entirety, while the one who is alive to witnesses the latter prophecies fulfillments may also research the recorded fulfillment of the former (hence; "all these things"). One indication that the disciples weren't the intended generation is made by the advisory for the disciples to not be alarmed when they notice the beginning of the prophecies (anti-X, rumors of war, earthquakes, famines).

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37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "

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• Another reference that the disciples were not the only intended audience.

An established theory (evidence) and science in general are based on facts....not reasonable assumptions.The absence of information in regards to the existence of any particular entity is not sufficient proof to make the assertion that such an entity exists or has never existed. Nor does it equate the former as a "default". The lack of evidence to support claims of such a being(s) only sets the stage for the reality that the proper theory to prove the existence of said being(s) does not exist .... as the world's consciousness is enlightened everyday by scientific breakthroughs and archeological discoveries, sometimes rendering evidence to support the most unlikely of truths. One, in actuality, would only be guessing (or opinionate) if one was to even say that "The proper theory to prove the existence of such being(s) has never existed.", if reserved to the possibility, although not necessarily the likelihood, that the evidence may exist and has not been discovered as of yet.------------------
love,
weary"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Hi Brian, Through a process of deduction where existing knowledge and science can be utilized; and a process of individual acceptance/unacceptance otherwise.
Better yet, since faith is based on spiritual enlightenment, how does one disprove the possibilities/absurdities of a personal revelation to themselves once one has had a "spiritual awakening"? 1. No2. I am left with a strong reservation that you are saying this to strengthen your point in this forum, as opposed to sharing your accomplishments/ prevarications with me. ouch!! ------------------
love,
weary"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

Hi Paul,I noticed you mixed up Mark 13;1-4. It can get messy when you take things out of context, so let's try not to disturb the time lines. There are two topics to take interest in here

• When these things will happen
• What will be the sign of their completion

My spouse is yellin' at me, so I have to get off the computer, but I'll be back ASAP to finish ------------------
love,
weary"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."

• Note the use of the plural (those,(that)) indicating to sometime in the future.
• Checkout how it reads with the singular (this,(these))
• This truly sounds to imply them

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love,
weary"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."