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Author Topic:   Sermon question time?
hooah212002
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Message 8 of 45 (547794)
02-22-2010 9:16 PM


After reading NWR, Buz, and Peg's statements, I couldn't help but think something: a weekly sermon is about all the bible "learning" a run-of-the-mill every day christian has. This weekly sermon is what they know about the bible. It is what they know about jesus.
Now you say that it is rude to ask questions? maybe so. But I don't think it should be. Saying that it is rude is putting the pastor on pedastal, saying he should not be questioned. Just shut up and listen to what he says: no matter the "truthiness" level.
How many sermons go into the nitty gritty of the bible? The parts that we discuss here that seem (to most) to be abhorrant? (You know, where god kills babies.) Any sermon I've been to skips over those parts, only to go into where "jesus loves" "god forgives", that sort of shit.
Now you may say "well, they aren't REAL chrisians, then, if they don't dedicate their life to learning the way of the master." Tut tut to that.
Or maybe, just maybe, people should think again about their religious beliefs and what/if they really matter to them.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 9 of 45 (547796)
02-22-2010 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Peg
02-22-2010 6:42 PM


I think the fact that a speaker does provide the basis of his comments thru scripture means that no one is left wondering if what he said is true or not.
You, Buz, and ICANT (to name a few) shown all of us how differently the bible can be interperated. Each one of you has a different view. Now throw in slevesque, iano, etc... So you can't say that people can take it at face value when you know each pastor interperates the scripture he reads you. He explains it his way.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 13 of 45 (547808)
02-22-2010 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Apothecus
02-22-2010 9:58 PM


Re: Dogma
But if you are getting no question time, except for after the sermon (when the pastor is ready to leave, as are you, so time is limited), then all you are getting is how HE interperates each passage, no?

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 14 of 45 (547809)
02-22-2010 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by nwr
02-22-2010 9:55 PM


No, it doesn't put him on a pedestal, and it does not say that he should not be questioned. It only says that he should not be questioned during the sermon. That he is not to be questioned during the sermon is not a matter of respecting the pastor. It is a matter of respecting the members of a congregation who came to participate in a ceremonial ritual and don't want it to be changed into a drama.
Good point.
I guess it really comes down to either a) changing the way people view church time, or b) changing how people view their faith.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 29 of 45 (548251)
02-26-2010 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
02-25-2010 6:55 PM


Re: Diverse Interpretations
Finally we agree on something, Hooah.
I suppose. I would just like to point out that I was in no way saying your version is correct and Peg is wrong. So, I wouldn't be thrilled agreeing with me on this if I were you, Buz.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 31 of 45 (548257)
02-26-2010 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
02-26-2010 12:59 PM


Re: Diverse Interpretations
I was not touting my version. I was simply agreeing with your premise. Your reaction has been rather non-concilitory and uncivil. How does that make for productive dialog?
How so? I don't think I have said anything un-civil. I could if you like. I can be a real prick.

"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."
-Carl Sagan

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