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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Frako, you are a good lil piggy, sweatheart! "wee wee". Am I the only one who immediately thought of this when I read that? "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But I wish that you would remember that we do also have many young members. Yes, curse words are just words however when the words you use inhibit communication are they the best choice for "telling it like it is"?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
however when the words you use inhibit communication They will only do so if the person reading the post allows those particular words to get in the way of the message. If I were to replace "fuck" with "fudge", none of you would say a damn thing. What is the difference? There isn't one, other than fuck is more effective.
But I wish that you would remember that we do also have many young members. I care, why? Why should I censor myself for some kid on the internet? That same young person could just as easily head over to 4CHAN and see much worse than my curse words...... If the time were to come where Percy no longer allowed "naughty language" on EvC, I would be glad to censor my language in order to follow board rules. Until that time comes, I couldn't give a shit less. If the rest of you care so much, either don't use the language yourself, or petition Percy to ban anyone who swears. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I care, why? Why should I censor myself for some kid on the internet? On the internet you are what you post. Profanity-laced posts don't leave a very good impression. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
FYI Frako I dont mind your misuse of the "proper" language at all.
You are a likable poster with a sense of humor. You know that you make mistakes and you don't do them intentionally. Your intentions are noble. hooah212002, on the other hand ( ) seems to cuss almost on purpose, as a point of identification of individuality and pride. I dont care whether I am an American native son. I have every right to express myself as smartly or dumbly as I so choose! (Oh wait, I am being more of an ass than you were!) Sorry, people.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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They will only do so if the person reading the post allows those particular words to get in the way of the message. If I were to replace "fuck" with "fudge", none of you would say a damn thing. What is the difference? There isn't one, other than fuck is more effective. The difference is that one term serves as a means of stopping communication as opposed to continuing discussion.
I care, why? Why should I censor myself for some kid on the internet? That same young person could just as easily head over to 4CHAN and see much worse than my curse words...... If the time were to come where Percy no longer allowed "naughty language" on EvC, I would be glad to censor my language in order to follow board rules. Until that time comes, I couldn't give a shit less. If the rest of you care so much, either don't use the language yourself, or petition Percy to ban anyone who swears. Yes, we perceive that you do not care. And that is fine if your goal is to be ignored. In addition, the "Billy did it too!" defense did not work on the playground at kindergarten and is unlikely to have much more success here. I fully understand that effective swearing is an art, and one that does require practice and experience, and if that is your purpose, well then perhaps this is a good a place for you to learn the art as any other. You might want to pay attention to those who seem to have mastered the art; perhaps you may learn from them. At your current level of mastery though it seems far more like the typical five year old looking for attention rather than the surgical use of expletives. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Profanity-laced posts don't leave a very good impression. I find that I can articulate myself just fine without the use of profanity when such a time calls for it. However, when dealing with profanely idiotic individuals or posts, profanity serves it's purpose quite nicely. I would have to ask again: what is the real difference between the profane word itself and it's cleaner counterpart? If I were to use "crap" in place of "shit", not an eyebrow would be raised. The same goes for "fudge" in lieu of "fuck". Either word is simply a tool to express ones self. I find it comical that some of you are actually offended by words. Furthermore, I challenge any of you to find a "profanity laced post" of mine that I posted anywhere other than the FFA section of this board. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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hooah212002 writes:
A more apt question would be, "Why not?" I presume that there are occasions when you do "censor yourself". Or do you use the same language in a job interview? Why should I censor myself for some kid on the internet? Do you want to come across as an intelligent, science-minded grownup or not? "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
frako writes:
And this little piggy went "Wee! Wee! Wee!" all the way home.I dont get it wiii wiii - happy weee weee- crying ojnk ojnk - piggy wee wee/ pi pi - need to go to the bathroom Jesus was a liberal hippie
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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What are some of the things that irritate you relative to how members communicate and how to improve the manner in which we discuss and debate the issues? Well, here's a good example of at least two of them. One, stop using the word "relative." I've yet to see one single example of you using it properly. Most of the time, all it does it give the impression that you really don't know what you're talking about and trying to bullshit past your ignorance. Two, there are at least two different sentences encompassed by that quote, but only one period. Stop trying to put more than one idea in a single sentence. You can't do it properly, and most of the time that you try it's two different ideas that belong in two different sentences. Quite honestly, Buz, I think your real problem is lack of clarity in thought. It's impossible to clearly express an idea in writing that you do not completely understand. The only solution to this is to learn to think clearly. Clarity of thought does not come naturally. It must be learned. You have not learned. I don't intend this to be an insult, but simply an observation based on years of reading what you've written. However, in the absence clarity of thought, here are a few tips to help you express yourself more clearly in writing. First, and most important, read Strunk and White. Learn it, love it, live it. There has never been a better manual of style for writing in the English language. (Incidentally, the White of Strunk and White is E.B. White, author of Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little, among other treasures.) Second, write in shorter sentences. If you can't express an idea in 12 or fewer words, you shouldn't be writing about it. In most cases, when you write a sentence longer than that, you're trying to say too much in one sentence. Third, learn basic rules of grammar. Your subject/verb agreement and sentence structures are atrocious. These are things that most people in this country learned in grade school. If you ever knew them, you've forgotten. Fourth, get and use a spell checker. No matter how well you express an idea or compose a sentence, if you're misspelling simple words, you look ignorant. I'm not talking about occasional tyops, everyone makes those. But I'd venture to guess that you have yet to post a message of more than 50 words or so that didn't have a misspelling. Fifth, proof read. There's a wonderful little button next to the "Submit Reply" button that says "Preview." I preview probably 75 % of what I write here, and most of the time I catch a mistake that I missed in composing a message and that spell check didn't catch because it wasn't a spelling error. (I've previewed this post twice and am still finding small mistakes.) I suspect you will ignore these suggestions, but they would benefit anyone, even me. So I'll present them for general purposes.
Tyop in paragraph 7 is intentional and included for comedic purposes. Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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Hi hooah,
I am a brash individual. I tell it like it is and I am not about to "be nice" just because some people are pussies. I'm sure you've heard the Team America "dicks fuck assholes" speech. It's true that sometimes dicks do fuck assholes and that this can be a good thing. Some assholes deserve it. On the other hand, just because you're a dick, doesn't mean that you should fuck every pussy that comes along.
The individual online persona that is Buzsaw is an ignorant, pig-headed, racist moron. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think you're being unnecessarily harsh. Buz can be exasperating, but I don't think he's a bad guy. Ignorant? I suppose. Pig-headed? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Racist? That's a tricky one. Certainly Buz has voiced some attitudes that you or I would consider racist, but you have to remember that he is of a different generation to you or I. The moral Zeitgeist has shifted a long way in Buz's lifetime and he hasn't really caught up. Now that is certainly a bad thing, but it is at least an understandable thing. I can't read minds via ISP any more than you can, but personally, I don't get the impression that Buz is a hateful, cross-burning bigot. I might think less of him because of some of his bigoted comments, but I don't think that he is an terrible person. As for being a moron, I think that's also harsh. I've met people a hell of a lot dumber than Buzsaw. Frequently. Like, every day. Besides, what's the big deal about intelligence anyway? Some people are born strong. Some are born pretty. And some people are born smart. If we're not born clever, we can work on improving what we've got, but ultimately, we are more-or-less stuck with what God gave us, so to speak. Now I fancy myself as being a bit clever, but I don't deserve accolades simply for that. I was born that way, just as morons are born stupid and, by the same token, morons shouldn't be vilified just because they weren't born lucky. Further, it goes against the principles of honest scepticism to single out lack of smarts as some sort of unforgivable offence. Scepticism is a mental tool. You don't have to be clever to utilise it, just determined and thorough. The tool-kit of scepticism is just as available to bears of little brain as it is to those who are smarter than the average bear. If you want to attack Buz for the dumbass things he says, attack his failure to think-through, not his intelligence.
I don't know ANY of you, I comment on your posts that you make via your avatar. I take NO animosity from one post to the next. I address each and every post anew, so I don't think I have ANYTHING against any of you. You may feel that way, but others can and do judge people by what they post and how they behave online. Perhaps you don't care, but you should perhaps be aware that in a situation where you are trying to be as persuasive as possible, you will almost certainly lose people by swearing and by being insulting. If you curse or crudely insult others, people are going to regard you as having squandered the moral high-ground and, rightly or wrongly, they're going to ignore you. they're going to assume that you're not very nice, so therefore what you're saying must be wrong. That may be fallacious, but what do you expect from creationists? I think that the best way is a tit-for-tat policy. If people are nice with others, I try to be nice with them. And if they're dicks, well, I can do that too. I try to keep the profanity down to a minimum, otherwise it loses its mother-fucking impact. Of course, given some of the stupid things that are said on these pages, it can be hard too keep up. Sometimes I lose my temper. It particularly gets my goat when someone seems to think that they have somehow outwitted the entire scientific establishment and have seen the fatal flaws that the world's greatest biologists have missed, yet they cannot even compose a simple sentence in their native fucking language. Infuriating! Sometimes I just can't resist the temptation to play mock-the-idiot, but mostly, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. On the other hand, people who won't capitalise the personal pronoun are sick freaks and deserve to have a painful and fiery doom visited upon them from on high. SHIFT KEYS PEOPLE! THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS! Mutate and Survive "A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
First, and most important, read Strunk and White. Learn it, love it, live it. There has never been a better manual of style for writing in the English language. Or, alternatively, throw away your copy of Strunk and White, because it's a terrible "manual of style", is wrong in nearly every instance, and serves more to confuse writers than to clarify grammar.
quote: 50 Years of Stupid Grammar Advice Don't rely on Strunk and White for grammatical advice. Don't rely on it for its banal and vapid style advice, either. Potentially you could rely on it as a doorstop, or to press flowers, but that's about it. Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
crashfrog writes:
I am encouraged - especially since I have never looked at Strunk and White.Or, alternatively, throw away your copy of Strunk and White, because it's a terrible "manual of style", is wrong in nearly every instance, and serves more to confuse writers than to clarify grammar. Jesus was a liberal hippie
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Hooah is clear. You're usually not.
You have a pendulous and tiresome writing style suggestive of someone trying to afford ten-dollar words on a five-dollar budget. That is not "articulation". You are not articulate. I mean you spent six paragraphs gesturing around your point, when you could simply have said "Hooah, please don't swear so much." Being articulate means choosing words carefully - yes, even profane ones - to quickly express your meaning. Your word choices result in a lack of clarity.
Perhaps, as well, you might defend some of your English wordage which other members consider offensive and improper in the public www fora for all, young and old to read. Sorry, Buz. Nobody's offended by Hooah's use of the word "fuck" in all its glorious conjugations. What offends us is the bald and naked racism you frequently display, for instance most recently in Message 114 of Golden Age of Blah Blah.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
I challenge any of you to find a "profanity laced post" of mine that I posted anywhere other than the FFA section of this board. Challenge accepted. This board does have a search function you know. I'm not offended by swearing though. When done well, it can be very funny indeed. Mutate and Survive
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