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jar
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Message 76 of 192 (591535)
11-14-2010 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by hooah212002
11-14-2010 5:23 PM


You can't really hurt anyone's feelings, you are not that significant, but we will judge you based on what you post. There is little else to base it on.
No one is censoring what you say or even limiting it.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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hooah212002
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Posts: 3193
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Message 77 of 192 (591537)
11-14-2010 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by jar
11-14-2010 5:36 PM


No one is censoring what you say or even limiting it.
So then you girls are just crying for nothing. Good to know.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Buzsaw
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Message 78 of 192 (591553)
11-14-2010 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by NoNukes
11-14-2010 2:29 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
NoNukes writes:
That's simply not true Buzsaw. You complained about a lot more than forced busing. The thrust of your comments dealt very much with race. Why deny that here?
What else besides busing? Please specify and tell why it is racist.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
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Message 79 of 192 (591565)
11-14-2010 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Dr Adequate
11-14-2010 1:17 PM


Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated
Dr Adequate writes:
There is a word which would have expressed exactly what you meant. That word is "about". As in: "What irritates you about how members communicate?"
Thanks for the advice, Dr Adequate. Maybe I'll use that word for some variety. Nevertheless we shouldn't feel the need to talk the same talk and use the same words to communicate?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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frako
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Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
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Message 80 of 192 (591567)
11-14-2010 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
11-14-2010 6:43 PM


Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated
Nevertheless we shouldn't feel the need to talk the same talk and use the same words to communicate?
OK
Ma, ni problema jst raji vidm da se v svojem jeziku pogovarjam pa dej google prevod da bo vedu kaj govorim.

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Buzsaw
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Message 81 of 192 (591568)
11-14-2010 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by bluegenes
11-14-2010 10:41 AM


Re: It just keeps getting better.
bluejeans writes:
It's your cignature. Otherwise I wouldn't site it.
(Buz is not alone. At least two other people have made funny mistakes while encouraging others not to make mistakes in this thread).
That's funny, Bluejeans. You're very perceptive.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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NoNukes
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Message 82 of 192 (591570)
11-14-2010 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
11-14-2010 6:28 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
Buzsaw writes:
What else besides busing? Please specify and tell why it is racist.
Did I accuse you of saying something racist or did I dispute your claim that your statement in the aforemention 'message 114' did not deal with race 'for the most part'? Are you reading between the lines of my post to find an accusation that you are a racist?
Here is what you posted
quote:
The problem with the Civil Rights movement was it went
to far towards the decline of freedom. Rights of employers and landlords were taken, employer requirements for minorities, women's rights, children rights and animal rights gay rights etc. All of these so called rights for designated classes infringed on the rights of others and increased government and bureacracy. School districts were required to buy buses for integration of students. Those are just to mention a few.
Was this post primarily about busing? Is there truly no racial component to your complaints about loss of rights for employers and landlords and 'so called rights' for designated classes? And let's put your post into its context. Was the civil rights movement in the 1940-50s Golden Era the least bit concerned with animal or gay rights? In what sense are animals and women minorities?
I have no idea whether you are a racist or not. I didn't even say that your comments were racist.
Still, your denials that your comments had a racial component and your suggestion that your only complaint was about forced busing are complete nonsense.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 83 of 192 (591580)
11-14-2010 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by frako
11-14-2010 6:48 PM


frako writes:
Ma, ni problema jst raji vidm da se v svojem jeziku pogovarjam pa dej google prevod da bo vedu kaj govorim.
Google Translator ne naredi zelo dobro delo za prevajanje iz slovenskega v angleki jezik.
Maybe we should wait until Google comes out with a Buzsaw-to-English Translator.

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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subbie
Member (Idle past 1284 days)
Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 84 of 192 (591582)
11-14-2010 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by bluegenes
11-14-2010 6:17 AM


Re: Oops!
I never meant to suggest that nobody should ever write a sentence with more than 12 words in it. I was hoping that such a limit on Buz would deter him from stringing two or three sentence fragments together for no discernible reason.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Dr Adequate
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Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 85 of 192 (591602)
11-15-2010 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
11-14-2010 6:43 PM


Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated
Thanks for the advice, Dr Adequate. Maybe I'll use that word for some variety. Nevertheless we shouldn't feel the need to talk the same talk and use the same words to communicate?
It would certainly be a poorer world if we all wrote in the same style. But there are certain rules of spelling and grammar that you should probably stick to if you want to appear literate.

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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2135 days)
Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


Message 86 of 192 (591603)
11-15-2010 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Dr Adequate
11-15-2010 12:31 AM


Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated
It would certainly be a poorer world if we all wrote in the same style. But there are certain rules of spelling and grammar that you should probably stick to if you want to appear literate.
I find Buz to be one of the most literate posters on the board.
Unfortunately, he could also be the poster boy for Heinlein's observation that "Belief gets in the way of learning."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3487 days)
Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
Joined: 04-25-2004


Message 87 of 192 (591618)
11-15-2010 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by hooah212002
11-14-2010 5:38 PM


Great Communication
This goes to clear communication and understanding since the "f" word is just a word, it should be easy to understand when used.
Last Christmas Eve in the Faith and Belief Forum you started a thread to remind Christians they were celebrating a pagan holiday. Since it IS Christmas time......
I found this little gem of yours in Message 10.
It just seems a bit morbid that jesus' life means fuck all and his death is revered. It would seem to me then, that it makes anything he did in life mean fuck all too, yes? All that is important is that he died.
This seems to be a favorite usage of yours. What does it mean?

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bluegenes
Member (Idle past 2506 days)
Posts: 3119
From: U.K.
Joined: 01-24-2007


Message 88 of 192 (591629)
11-15-2010 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by purpledawn
11-15-2010 7:47 AM


Re: Great Communication
purpledawn writes:
This seems to be a favorite usage of yours. What does it mean?
If it doesn't mean anything to you, then Hooah may have picked up from this side of the pond, where "fuck all" is old and common, and means an emphatic "nothing".
From the urban dictionary:
quote:
fuck all, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, zip, fuck, bugger all, nowt, jack shit, squat, sod all, sfa, sweet fuck all, nout, fanny adams, naught, small work, feck all, nix, sweet fa, empty, not much, all nil, fuck all squared.
Urban Dictionary: fuck all
Why should it mean nothing? Possibly the sad story of Sweet Fanny Adams, who became sweet F. A. then F. A., then Fuck All.

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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 831 days)
Posts: 3193
Joined: 08-12-2009


Message 89 of 192 (591633)
11-15-2010 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by purpledawn
11-15-2010 7:47 AM


Re: Great Communication
bluegenes is right.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3487 days)
Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
Joined: 04-25-2004


Message 90 of 192 (591644)
11-15-2010 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by hooah212002
11-14-2010 5:23 PM


Just Words
quote:
What makes any of you feel so special that you should have the internet censored just for you? Why should we censor ourselves just for you? They're just words, people. What really makes fuck any worse than frig used in the same context? They are words that have a stigma attached to them and you lot have decided they hurt your feelings, but why?
Words carry meaning and express feelings, intentions, etc. They aren't all equal or equally benign.
Profanity is more visceral and usually carries emotions of frustration and anger. (I've already commented that presentation and audience also makes a difference) The person reading or hearing these words feel those emotions. That is what makes some uncomfortable with the usage. Not the word itself. It is the anger being projected or perceived. When anger is projected, people tend to respond in like manner.
There's a reason that profanity is called strong language.
This is a debate board and Percy, our host, provided a quote from the Encylopedia Brittanica under the Forum Guidelines.
Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach.
A person using profanity is not emotionally uncommitted or sufficiently detached and is not maintaining a cool academic approach to the discussion.
IMO, Percy has set an example of how he would like to see debates argued. If you search, you will see that Percy doesn't use the "f" word. While he doesn't want Admins to deal with censoring, he does have standards and I feel he also leads by example. Here is an good explanation he provided in 2005.
The absence from the Forum Guidelines of anything about profanity is on purpose. A Supreme Court justice once said that though he couldn't define obscene, he knew it when he saw it, but EvC Forum does not subscribe to this view. Opinions about obscenity are subjective, and moderators here are busy enough without wasting time trying to protect the sensibilities of the easily offended.
But EvC Forum strongly frowns on making debates personal. In Message 23 Dan Carroll writes in reply to you, "So basically, the state does not have the ability to fuck over a subset of the population, no matter what the group consensus is." In my judgement that is fine. If he had instead attacked you personally and said, "You're a complete fuck-wad for not understanding group consensus issues," that would be another matter entirely. Message 24
So your comment in Message 45 shows that you don't understand what a personal attack is in this forum.
Hooah212002 writes:
Funny thing about that, Buz. You will notice my posts lack insight into your personal life. Any "personal" attacks I make are on that of your avatar. Never do I make any comment about you the person. That's low even for a scumbag such as yourself.
The avatar isn't participating in the discussion. People are participating in the discussion. If you call Buz a scumbag, you are calling the man behind the name a scumbag; not the avatar.
I feel profanity is unnecessary in the regular debate forums.

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