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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
You really just like the he said, she said part don't you?
quote:You'll have to go back and read. You didn't take the time to answer when I asked, I'm not going to go back and figure it out for you. As for two posts ago, I responded to that. I was stating my position, not deciding for anyone. You haven't explained how stating my position is deciding anything for anyone. This is a debate forum. We take a position. What anyone gleans from the debate is up to them. quote:And I did. As I said in Message 157: PurpleDawn writes: The information I found on the Milgram experiment dealt with following an authority figure. It didn't really deal with a debate situation. If I've tapped into the wrong experiment, please provide a link to the one that you feel makes your point. You provided no confirmation or correction and still don't wish to apparently.
Crashfrog writes: There's only one "Milgram experiment" famous enough to be referenced by that name, and if you had actually looked it up you would have understood it to prove that most people determine what is right or wrong from cues from the people around them. So if I assume I did find the correct study which is an experiment to research the effect of authority on obedience, I still don't see what it has to do with this discussion or any discussion of cues from those around us. Please refrain from implying I'm too ignorant to see it. That's the fundamentalist path.
quote:Thank you Captain Obvious. quote:How is that deciding for other people any more than any other debate on this forum? When you asked this question concerning HFCS in your High-Fructose Corn Syrup - the Controversy thread were you trying to decide for other people or trying to understand through discussion?
Crashfrog writes: Obviously the question isn't "is HFCS bad for you", the question is "is HFCS worse than sucrose"? quote:Good dodge. I know what I wrote, but your comprehension of what I wrote is the issue. I have no way of matching up what I wrote with what you think I wrote. I'm not going to guess because you wouldn't address it or confirm it if I got it right, as evidenced by the ones you did finally state. Message 104 You stated: Insisting that your preferences are the only ones that matter is the definition of being childish. I said I didn't, which means if you disagree you have to show me where you see this happening. You didn't respond.
Message 130 You stated: You've tried to give examples of the "emotionless" speech you think the debate should engender, but no speech is emotionless. I said I didn't, which means if you disagree you have to show me where you see this happening. You didn't respond. Now I've responded to what you feel is me deciding for others. I've disagreed and I have asked that you explain how my sentence is making a decision for anyone. Now we'll see if you respond or continue to avoid explanation. I agree, we are at a standstill. I don't understand why you're comprehending my posts the way you are. Until you can explain why the words I use lead you to the conclusions you've provided, there's nothing more I can add.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:No that isn't my position quote:So there are other versions, but you still don't want to provide a link to the specific study you have in mind or clarify what that has to do with what I've said about profanity. So people adjust their views concerning what's right and wrong. That's old news. Make your point. quote:I already did. You didn't respond. I linked to them in the previous post. Do you play this game in the science debates? quote:No they don't. quote:Except that I haven't said that. Very disappointing. I'm done with the he said, she said. Unless you have something that actually addresses what I've said, we're done. Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I apologize, I've used the phrase incorrectly. I'm referring to the fact that our discussion has devolved into the "no I didn't, yes you did" realm. We are no longer discussing the topic. Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:In our daily lives most people don't act or talk exactly the same in various social situations as they do at home. It's usually considered inappropriate to discuss gross things at the dinner table. If my family is not bothered by such a discussion, we will discuss such things at the dinner table. That changes when we have company over, we go out to a restaurant or to a party. People do the same with offensive language. I seriously doubt that the brilliant person you describe would have presented his findings with profanity, mild or otherwise. People also aren't afraid their minds will turn to mush. We use exaggeration to make points also and sometimes that isn't appropriate around people who don't understand that we are exaggerating. The point is that all things aren't considered appropriate in all situations and cultures. In this type of written forum, we can sit at home behind our computers naked or in PJ's and picking our nose or farting till the cows come home; but our words are going to the public arena. We don't have to have on makeup, shave, or fix our hair; but when we leave the house and go into the public arena we put on appropriate attire for the occasion, make ourselves presentable, and we refrain from picking our noses or farting (loudly anyway if we can help it ). We also adjust when company comes over to our house. Not everyone is offended by profanity on this board, but some are. If one person asks me to refrain from profanity or even a specific level of profanity when conversing with them (not everyone else), are they really asking too much in a public arena? Maybe they can tolerate mild profanity, but not the sexual profanity or overuse of such. The choice is mine, whether to comply or not. It's the same when we go out in public. On the other hand we can have people who are offended by the act of being asked to adjust, whether it is profanity, grammar, slang, style, behavior, etc.
offend: to cause to feel vexation or resentment usually by violation of what is proper or fitting IMO, those who are least offended will usually comply.
Courteous behavior shows respect for others.
Civilized life cannot be sustained without hypocrisy. A certain moral code, a degree of courtesy and decorum, are necessary to keep our instincts under a modicum of control. Ian Buruma, New York Review of Books, 2 Nov. 2006 quote:That's the kicker. In this medium we don't have the audio or visual. No tone or inflection or body language. Just the words. The reader applies the tone, inflection or body language. When you read posts, do you read with no emotion? How do you decide which emotion to use? I don't believe anyone sits behind their computer and thinks in monotones. Disclaimer: My argument above does not imply that I know how to behave perfectly in all situations.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Exactly! The members of this board cover various cultures, religions, genders, ages, and beliefs. Even within each of these groups there are variations.
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