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Butterflytyrant
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Message 1 of 46 (623114)
07-06-2011 3:01 AM


Expressed as a percentage, how sure are you that your particular version of creation is correct? This is open to all. Whether it be the Big Bang and Evolution, Young Earth Creation, Old Earth Creation, ID or any other interpretation of the scripture. This is a question of the specific version you follow.
The second part of the question is - expressed as a percentage, how many people who share your particular faith (or perceived scientific theory like evolution, ID etc) share your version or interpretation of that faith (or scientific theory etc)? e.g there are many Christians on this website, however, some are YEC, some are OEC etc so there may be many people who share the faith, but a small percentage who share that particular version of the faith.
The objective of this question is to see what sort of unity there is amongst the different groups and where peoples affiliations lay.
Feel free to elaborate on why you have attributed these percentages.
For myself, I believe the Big Bang and Evolution to be the forces of creation.
I would put a percentage of 50% on the Big Bang because I am not well versed in the theory but I trust the judgement of people who are.
Evolution I would say 99%. I leave a 1% margin because no theory can be proven to be 100% true and the evidnce appears to be overwhelming. I also have not found any credible opposing theory.
I would say that 90% of the people who follow the Big Bang Theory and Evolution believe the same version that I do. I have left a 10% margin as there are variations in some elements of the theories but the majority are unified. I do not believe that there is anyone on this forum who would have any significant differences in their answer if we were asked to describe our interpretation of Evolutionary Theory.
Here are the two questions:
  1. Describe which type of creation you believe brought the universe into existence. Examples of possible answers are the Big Bang and Evolution, Young Earth Creation, Old Earth Creation, ID or any other interpretation of the scripture. Be as detailed as you like.
  2. Expressed as a percentage, what is your confidence factor that your belief is correct, where 100% expresses complete certainty and 0% expresses no certainty at all.
The second question is actually not the above. My first question was the above question 1 and 2 in one question.
The second question was actually : Expressed as a percentage, how many people do you know who share your particular, personal interpretation of creation.
My reason for asking this is that it seems as if every creationist I speak with has a different personal version that they believe is correct. I am interested in finding out just how many different correct interpretations there are. To respectfully use an example, ICANT, who is obviously extremely well versed in Theology has a version of creation I have never heard before. But, with his qualifications, I dont know if there are many who could argue against him.
Sorry about the third question. Admin made changes without my knowledge that did not match my intent or the questions I asked.
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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 2 of 46 (623115)
    07-08-2011 5:03 AM
    Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
    07-06-2011 3:01 AM


    Is there something wrong with this post?

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 7 of 46 (623142)
    07-08-2011 10:29 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by Jon
    07-08-2011 10:00 AM


    Hello John,
    Out of curiosity, you advised that you are not very sure of your chosen version of creation, Big bang and Evolution 7% and 12% respectively.
    What makes up the remainder?

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 9 of 46 (623155)
    07-08-2011 11:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 8 by jar
    07-08-2011 11:21 AM


    Hello Jar,
    It may not be all doubt.
    Consider the difference between these three possible replies (there are others of course)
    1. 7 % BB, 12 % ToE the remainder being doubt
    2. 7 % BB, 12 % ToE the remainder being 18% creationism and doubt
    3. 7 % BB, 12 % ToE the remainder being 10% Hindu teachings, 6% ID and the remainder doubt.
    The three answer would make a very different person. This is why I asked.

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 16 of 46 (623476)
    07-10-2011 7:54 PM
    Reply to: Message 10 by jar
    07-08-2011 11:48 AM


    Re: Only 100%
    The question was :
    Expressed as a percentage, how sure are you that your particular version of creation is correct
    The total number cannot exceed 100%. You cannot be more than 100% sure of something. With beliefs, to be 90% sure of YEC means that there can be a total of 10% of doubt or OEC or some other idea. You cannot be 90% sure of YEC and also 90% sure of OEC.
    The measure was how sure are you, this can only total 100%

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 20 of 46 (623483)
    07-10-2011 8:25 PM
    Reply to: Message 19 by jar
    07-10-2011 8:17 PM


    Re: Only 100%
    By this reasoning, you could be 100% sure and 0% unsure that YEC is correct.
    Ypou could also be 100% sure and 0% unsure that OEC is correct.
    And 100% sure and 0% unsure that the Hindu teachings are correct.
    In this example, you would be 100% sure and 0% unsure that 3 different things are correct?
    The total sum can only be 100%
    If you had three different ideas you were equally sure of, they would have to be spread accross the total 100%.
    You cant exceed 100% even with a certain percentage of unsure.

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 22 of 46 (623509)
    07-11-2011 4:14 AM
    Reply to: Message 21 by jar
    07-10-2011 8:29 PM


    Re: Only 100%
    Only if you expect reason, logic or consistency.
    When it comes to beliefs, reason, logic, rationality and consistency are irrelevant.
    Using this logic, you could have answered with anything.
    Question : Expressed as a percentage, how sure are you that your particular version of creation is correct?
    Answer : Apples and sheep
    Why answer at all?
    This is getting off topic though. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly that people would recognise that 100% is the maximum amount allowable. There is no greater total of sums than 100%. If a person is conflicted about their view, that conflict can be scaled into 100%.

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    Butterflytyrant
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    Message 45 of 46 (623772)
    07-13-2011 9:42 AM
    Reply to: Message 44 by Straggler
    07-12-2011 6:21 PM


    Re: Belief vs fact
    Whilst you can argue that providing percentages to things like the estimated probability of evolutionary theory being true is of dubious worth it can give an indication of where you stand with regard to the evidence and how much confidence you have in it.
    This is pretty much what I was asking for.
    I was attempting to see how many different versions of creation there was on this forum and how confident the members were with their particular interpretation. I have spoken to people recently who are 100% sure of YEC and 100% sure of their personal interpretation of YEC. I was speaking to a guy who described himself as a Charismatic Evangelical. Even in light of all of the evidence, he advised he was 100% sure his particular version of his chosen faith was the only correct version. I actually asked him to express his confidence as a percentage and he advised it was 100%.
    I was hoping to get a cross section of different religious people.

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