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Topic: Expressing your beliefs as a percentage
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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That's really easy. The balance is filled with doubt.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Only 100%
You seem to think that things like beliefs can add up to 100%. Why would that be true? Why not 90% Hindu plus 90% Abrahamic plus 90% science pluse 90% Buddhist?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Only 100%
Why? I mentioned "Why not 90% Hindu plus 90% Abrahamic plus 90% science pluse 90% Buddhist?" Why can I not be 90% sure of each of those?
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 19 of 46 (623481)
07-10-2011 8:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Straggler
07-10-2011 8:02 PM
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Re: Only 100%
No, it means I am 10% unsure of each.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Only 100%
Only if you expect reason, logic or consistency. When it comes to beliefs, reason, logic, rationality and consistency are irrelevant.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Only 100%
Well, apples and sheep are not percentages. But the reason I responded was to try to educate you a little on the subject of beliefs and hopefully show you how silly the question you ask really is. I am 99% sure that Evolution happened, 90%sure that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of how that happened so far and 100% sure that all we have found is how God did it. I am also 90% sure that Hinduism and Buddhism and Islam and Taoism and animism and agnosticism and atheism are all partly true and partly wrong. Beliefs are not subject to reason, logic, reality or consistency.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 25 of 46 (623561)
07-11-2011 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Straggler
07-11-2011 1:50 PM
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Belief vs fact
I don't to the best of my knowledge. I take exception to Buz claiming fact as opposed to belief. I have no problem with Buz believing that the Exodus happened or that Adam & Eve were real people or most any other however silly belief he might express, but when he goes beyond simply saying that he believes the Exodus happens and tries to prove as a factual matter that the Exodus really did happen, I IMHO rightly take exception.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 30 of 46 (623645)
07-12-2011 9:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Chuck77
07-12-2011 2:26 AM
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Re: Belief vs fact
HUH? Buz is of course free to try to prove something like the Exodus or Biblical Flood, however he has NEVER been able to offer any evidence that the Exodus actually happened and the Biblical Flood has been absolutely refuted. The problem is stating that a belief is a fact w9ithout presenting the evidence to support that assertion.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 46 (623646)
07-12-2011 9:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Straggler
07-12-2011 6:53 AM
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Re: Belief vs fact
It may help him understand the difference between a belief and a conclusion. I am 100% sure of my belief that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 33 of 46 (623651)
07-12-2011 10:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Straggler
07-12-2011 9:50 AM
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Re: Belief vs fact
It's not a conclusion it is a belief. And I would say that my confidence in that belief varies between 0% and 100%.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 35 of 46 (623655)
07-12-2011 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 34 by Straggler
07-12-2011 10:30 AM
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Re: Belief vs fact
straggler writes: Aren't your beliefs and your conclusions innately entwined? Not at all and that is what I am trying to point out. Conclusions are based upon evidence that can be examined using reason, logic, rationality and consistency, however beliefs are not subject to reason, logic, rationality or consistency. The evidence for something like the fact that evolution happened can be listed and examined by anyone and those that use reason, logic, rationality and consistency will all arrive at pretty much the same conclusion. Beliefs are totally different though, and not subject to those constraints.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 46 (623664)
07-12-2011 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Straggler
07-12-2011 12:27 PM
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Re: Belief vs fact
straggler writes: Can you give an example of something which you have concluded to be correct but do not believe to be correct? Can you give an example of something that you believe to be correct but have concluded to be incorrect. Of course not since neither of those questions even makes any sense (AbE: to me. To others it might make sense).
straggler writes: Beliefs and conclusions are not necessarily the same thing but to pretent that they are unrelated is silly. You are of course free to believe that. Edited by jar, : AbE:
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 39 of 46 (623676)
07-12-2011 1:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Straggler
07-12-2011 12:53 PM
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Re: Belief vs fact
I certainly can't explain it for anyone other than myself, but I do know of folk that will, as an example, admit that all the evidence refutes a Biblical flood yet still believe the flood happened. I find that, again, strictly speaking of my own beliefs, that when evidence is presented sufficient to get me to question one of my beliefs, the belief must be tempered based on the conclusion that results from the evidence. But that is just me.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 41 of 46 (623681)
07-12-2011 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Straggler
07-12-2011 1:59 PM
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Re: Belief vs fact
I have no idea how rare it is.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 43 of 46 (623690)
07-12-2011 2:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by Straggler
07-12-2011 2:34 PM
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Re: Belief vs fact
Sure, for example in what my favorite ice cream is at the moment, love, which fountain pen is my favorite, what to wear, which coffee to drink next... In fact I'd say that most of my life lies in the area of beliefs as opposed to conclusions. The topic though was on "Expressing your beliefs as a percentage" and I find it really silly to try to assign percentages to beliefs. As an example, you quote me as saying "I am 100% sure of my belief that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen." while right this minute I'd say I am 85.625% sure of my belief that GOD created all that is, seen and unseen. Ask me in five minutes and the numbers will likely have changed.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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