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Tangle
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Message 8 of 44 (649972)
01-26-2012 6:24 PM


Non-American companies would love this as it would make US products uncompetitive. The only way around this would be to put trade barriers up against Sony, Samsung, LG etc etc etc which would kill imports and retail.....

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Message 11 of 44 (649976)
01-26-2012 6:47 PM
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The rule would apply to any company that wanted to do business in America. It might stifle imports, but I think the American market would be attractive enough to overcome the resistance.
Can't work. Take an iPad, it would cost, I don't know, say, twice as much as it does now to produce so it would be uncompetitive in the rest of the world. Meanwhile Samsung sells its iPad clone in the US at high price and in the rest of the world at a much lower price - it wins.
Protectionism always hurts the protected.

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Message 22 of 44 (650068)
01-27-2012 11:25 AM


I still don't think you've answered why anybody would buy US products outside the US when all your global competitors will have a lower cost structure. I believe you rely somewhat on exports?

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Message 25 of 44 (650076)
01-27-2012 11:52 AM
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01-27-2012 11:38 AM


The idea is that the US marketplace is such a prize that non-US companies would want to sell their products here. If they want to, they'll have to conform to the labor laws the US enforces within its borders.
I think you've lost the plot :-)
The rest of the world would tell you to go take a hike so you'd lose your cheap imports, domestic inflation caused by higher input costs would destroy the value of the $ and your products wouldn't sell outside the US so your export market would crash and your foreign competitors would steal your global markets.
Welcome to stagflation, decline and splendid isolation.

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Message 28 of 44 (650084)
01-27-2012 12:41 PM
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01-27-2012 12:10 PM


You really think the major international corporations would choose to just leave the American marketplace?
Of course, do you think the world is going to change its manufacturing base just to suit the US? No chance. Europe is as big a market as the US and the economies of China, India and South America are much more important to the rest of the world than the jolly old US.
If this is true, then yeah, maybe my idea won't work. What about, instead of enforcing complete compliance with US labor laws, just the one's relating to worker safety? It would be a start, and there might be room to grow from that to more compliance, especially if other nations join in.
I love Americans, they seem to think that the rest of the world needs to do what they want while most of them don't own a passport:-)
All you can do is lead by example and get your own act in order - trade barriers don't work.
It would benefit the workers who are being exploited right now in China and even in India.
I admire the ideal, but international trade isn't high on moral messages, sadly.

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Message 40 of 44 (650119)
01-27-2012 5:48 PM


Surely Americans of all people understand the need for free trade and free markets? Protectionism isn't supposed to be in your genes. (Except when it's expedient of course). On the other hand maybe you're discovering conscience, liberalism and the plural society?
What next, free health care? (If so, I'll come visit.)
All that aside, have you read 'No Logo'?

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Message 42 of 44 (650121)
01-27-2012 6:21 PM
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01-27-2012 5:56 PM


Health care will never be free, but socialized would be good.
Ah, that's what you say before you get it. After that, it's not communism, socialised or even free - it's just available.

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Message 44 of 44 (650124)
01-27-2012 6:46 PM
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01-27-2012 6:26 PM


Would that it were.
Don't be downhearted, you guys invented endless coffee refills in restaurants - that's much, much harder. (Well at least we think so.)
You'll definately get round to it - so long as you keep electing sane presidents.

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