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Phat
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Message 6 of 44 (649970)
01-26-2012 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Perdition
01-26-2012 4:45 PM


The Great Leveling
perdition writes:
If the US (and other first world nations) passed laws requiring any company that wants to do business in America to conform to US labor laws (i.e. 40 hour work week, minimum wage, worker safety, etc) or they lose the right to do business in America (or whatever country), it would decrease the incentive to outsource a job for cheaper labor, and for the companies for which outsourcing was beneficial for other reasons, it would also increase the wages and standard of lving in those other countries.
Our minimum wage would be huge in the service jobs sector of many other countries. I fear that it would not help those of us who make above minimum, however. That's one glaring problem. Other than that, I like your idea.

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Phat
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Message 16 of 44 (650007)
01-27-2012 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Jon
01-26-2012 6:38 PM


Re: Increasing Real Value
Perdition writes:
The rule would apply to any company that wanted to do business in America. It might stifle imports, but I think the American market would be attractive enough to overcome the resistance.
The American market will only be attractive if Americans are paid aove minimum wage. People who make minimum wage in this economy don't have enough disposable income to buy very many i-pads, TVs, Computers, or what have you. This is why I support unionism. And by the way, the unions would love to organize foreign labor. Jon seems to think i'm the Grinch that stole opportunity, but he may or may not realize that the middle class in America is under attack from poor and rich alike. A poor kid from the trailer park has the opportunity to get student loans and educational grants while living on food stamps as they attend college. The rich kid also never need worry about bills...since Mommy and Daddy happily pay his education. Only the working middle class...who make just enough to not qualify for many government services...are at a disadvantage IF they dont have a liveable wage.
Jon writes:
These things aren't conceptually difficult. But in practicality they pose quite the challenge. People like Phat will resist with a fiery passion learning new skills or taking on jobs manufacturing products they are unfamiliar with.
If you ever become a teacher, Jon, you will thank God for the teachers union! Otherwise, you too will become a victim of being undercut by cheaper foreign labor. Lots of people even shop around for cheaper foreign colleges....should we slap a minimum tuition on them as well? Oh, and by the way...it hardly takes an education to work at a grocery store unless you are in management. I do agree that workers could be educated from within the store as to the service skills that they may need...but by and large, grocery workers are uneducated. Does this mean that we should only pay educated people a decent wage? Without unions, which raise the wages of everyone to a liveable level, we probably would pay less if we could even find workers who will put up with minimum wage. At my store, they always quit after a month...it simply is not worth it for them to work so hard for so little.
As for the rather personal attacks, I think you are just jealous that an old man like me with no formal education makes more than an educated lad like yourself or your girlfriend. My advice? Wait in line! Your turn will come.

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Phat
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Message 37 of 44 (650115)
01-27-2012 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jon
01-27-2012 11:37 AM


Re: Increasing Real Value
Jon writes:
Which is why I've already mentioned that there is considerable pressure on the workforce to make itself more valuable. If the workers don't want to do that, then they are permitted to sit at home unemployed pretending they are too good for any of the jobs out there.
Do you really think that US workers are gonna take courses to make themselves more valuable and not demand wages to reflect their value? Any company that would dump us in favor of cheaper foreigners ought-ta be rode out of town on a rail.
If corporations wont offer us what we want, as consumers we wont give them what they want either. Let them try selling groceries in China. The executives would love the perks over there.
We will simply all work for Walmart.

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