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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
So should schools not teach anything on the origin of life, because the answer is not confirmed?
or should they teach a variety of theories, and simply say "these are the various explanations" that we have, but a general consensus has yet to be determined?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So should schools not teach anything on the origin of life, because the answer is not confirmed? or should they teach a variety of theories, and simply say "these are the various explanations" that we have, but a general consensus has yet to be determined? Sure, we could teach a variety of things while we're at it! We could teach magic, superstition, wishful thinking, divine revelation, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, spells, ouija boards, anecdotes, tarot cards, sorcery, naturalism, seances, black cats, table tipping, witch doctors, divination, "miracles," the unguessable verdict of history, hoodoo, voodoo, and all that other weird stuff. How about we just teach science instead, eh? And please don't use the term "theory" incorrectly. Here are a couple of good definitions: Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses. Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Sure, we could teach a variety of things while we're at it! We could teach magic, superstition, wishful thinking, divine revelation, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, spells, ouija boards, anecdotes, tarot cards, sorcery, naturalism, seances, black cats, table tipping, witch doctors, divination, "miracles," the unguessable verdict of history, hoodoo, voodoo, and all that other weird stuff. try and stay on topic, this is about the origin of life and I asked a specific question about it, or is this just your snarky way of saying you have no clue?
And please don't use the term "theory" incorrectly. Here are a couple of good definitions: after the Bison v Buffalo thing, I learned I could use terms around here however i wanted to.
How about we just teach science instead, eh? ahh that is right, there isn't a confirmed answer yet on the origin of life as appropriate to teach to kids. are you suggesting we just default to science on this one due to faith in science?
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3268 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
should they teach a variety of theories, and simply say "these are the various explanations" that we have, but a general consensus has yet to be determined? Depends on the grade level...but I would say they should teach the various scientific explanations for the origin of life, but they should be very clear in stating that these are ideas or hypotheses, not theories, and that we may never know exactly how life started on Earth because there was little to no evidence left when it happened. They might even say that various religions have their own explanation, and if they would like to know more about those, they can take a comparative religions course (assuming the school offers one) or they can ask their parents or ministers about the one their religion prefers.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We know how it did not start, and eliminates covers EVERY religious creation tale.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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So should schools not teach anything on the origin of life, because the answer is not confirmed? or should they teach a variety of theories, and simply say "these are the various explanations" that we have, but a general consensus has yet to be determined? If we limit what is taught to just theories then that excludes all religious beliefs. I think it would be fine to teach students about the latest research dealing with the RNA World hypothesis and various ongoing scientific research that is looking at the origin of life. What is not ok is to teach religious beliefs alongside scientific research as if they are on the same level. I would be fine with an elective Comparative Religions course where religious beliefs can be put in the proper context. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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after the Bison v Buffalo thing, I learned I could use terms around here however i wanted to. At least you admit that your arguments are based on semantics instead of substance.
are you suggesting we just default to science on this one due to faith in science? There is no faith in science. Science is the opposite of faith. In science, you test your ideas and disregard all ideas that can not be tested. What we should teach in science class is science, including the latest research on the origin of life if it fits with the curriculum. At this point, students are being taught that complex biomolecules do form through abiotic processes. This is backed by mountains of research. It is a fact. Other research on the RNA World hypothesis and other current working hypotheses will probably fly over the head of high school students. Research is being done in this field on these hypotheses, so if students do wish to work in these fields they will need to be educated on these topics, most likely in graduate school.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I guess the bill will have to be challenged then. I can almost guarantee that it will if those laws are put into practice.
All I got from it was when the origin of life comes up, they will teach various theories about this issue. They want to teach religious beliefs, not theories.
Does anyone really know how life started on this planet? If we already knew everything would we need to be educating and training new scientists? So how do we educate these new scientists? Do we teach them that life came about through magical poofing, so there really is no need to do any scientific research on the origins of life?
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
based on what evidence?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Many many lines of evidence.
For example we know that the Bible has two different and mutually exclusive accounts and so one or both must be wrong. We also know that every other religion also has multiple mutually exclusive accounts and so they too must be wrong. Finally, we have evidence of natural causes but no one has ever presented any evidence of any unnatural or supernatural causes. Therefore, until someone presents some evidence of an unnatural or supernatural cause, all such assertions should be rejected as science.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
lack of evidence is not evidence, you seem to be saying that because there is no evidence then that is evidence that the bible is wrong.
interesting logic you have there
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Lack of evidence can most certainly be evidence. If you claim to have shot and hit the target yet there is no hole, then the lack of a hole most certainly is evidence.
In addition I made a claim that there was evidence, that the religious fables are mutually exclusive and that in fact Christianity has at least two mutually exclusive creation fables. I also pointed out that there is evidence of natural causes. If and when comparable evidence for unnatural or supernatural causes is presented, then and ONLY then is there anything to teach in a science class.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Ya know, posting obvious misinterpretations, your preferred approach, is only effective if you can somehow have the last word. Otherwise it just forces people to post corrections and wastes a lot of time, not to mention disk space.
--Percy
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Warthog Member (Idle past 3999 days) Posts: 84 From: Earth Joined: |
quote: Evidence of a contradictory hypothesis it evidence. There's lots of evidence of models that contradict the literal interpretation of bible.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Percy writes: Ya know, posting obvious misinterpretations, your preferred approach, is only effective if you can somehow have the last word. Otherwise it just forces people to post corrections and wastes a lot of time, not to mention disk space. Which is exactly what you just did with your worthless post. You are part of the problem with posts like this, not the solution.
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