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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
This all sounds perfectly reasonable Taq.
"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
1.61803 writes: There is another theory that reality itself is nothing more than a 2D holograph If existence itself is illusory then perhaps there is no such thing as supernatural. Perhaps its just a word we use when we do not know the answer. quote: This is a lot how the supernatural functions. Jehovah, supreme god of the Universe, is like a giant computer which has all of the data existing in the Universe at any given time and instantly as changes occur. For example, according to the Biblical record, he knows all thoughts, words, and motives of every human at any given time. He knows when a sparrow falls, how many hairs on every human at any given time. He can instantly communicate with humans. humans can instantly communicate with him. I know. I pray/talk to him daily and receive extremely remarkable answers to them. According to Jesus his son, our lord/master and savour, the only way we are worthy of communicating to Jehovah says if we draw near to him he draws near to us, etc. He communicates back to humans via his holy spirit, the one and same spirit of Jesus, Jehovah and all spiritually born, i.e born from above humans. All communication between Jehovah and humans is instantaneous and of course, the Bible states in several verses that Jehovah exists within our heavens, i.e. the cosmos of our Universe. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Hello Buzsaw,
I respect your beliefs. I just will say that science is another path to obtaining knowledge. It happens to be a very good way for humanity to understand, as best we can, our universe."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If god knows everything then what's the point of praying for stuff?
"Hey God, how's it going?... yeah, I'm good - oh yeah, you already knew that... anyways, I was wonder if you could -oh yeah, you already knew about that too... Well, about my grandma, she has this - shit, that's right, you must be aware of that 'cause you already know everthing... well... ... uhhhh... ... yeah, I guess that's about that then. Cheers."
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Yes, my belief is simply my belief and should never interfere or influence science or statements of testable knowledge. How am I opening the door to a very problematic worldview? How can you have GOD producing effects in the natural world and not have it impinge on science or testable knowledge?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, as I have said repeatedly, I can see no way that science could ever test the supernatural.
That is only a limitation of science, one area where it's not useful. If that is understood, how is that a problematic worldview?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
If god knows everything then what's the point of praying for stuff? I think John Calvin would agree with you.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Well, as I have said repeatedly, I can see no way that science could ever test the supernatural. That is only a limitation of science, one area where it's not useful. If that is understood, how is that a problematic worldview? Science is useful in determing effects on the natural world. You claim that GOD has effects on the natural world. It would seem that the only limitation here is the limitations you put on GOD. I see no reason why GOD, being omnipotent, could not produce detectable effects in the natural world. You seem to be protecting your belief in GOD from science, not the other way around.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And you still haven't said anything that I see as related in any way to a problematic worldview.
I have never said that the effects would not be detectable, only that I see no way that science can test, observe, explain or understand the supernatural. In your example you mentioned GOD placing false fingerprints at a crime scene and I said that I believe that would be possible. BUT, all we can go by is what science can show us and that is that the fingerprints were found at the crime scene.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3266 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
And you still haven't said anything that I see as related in any way to a problematic worldview. You don't find it problematic to have to doubt any evidence found?
In your example you mentioned GOD placing false fingerprints at a crime scene and I said that I believe that would be possible. So, presumably, we find the person whose fingerprints match those found, but if god planted them, this person may not actually be guilty. You don't find that problematic?
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bridgebuilder Member (Idle past 4398 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: If god knows everything then what's the point of praying for stuff? "Hey God, how's it going?... yeah, I'm good - oh yeah, you already knew that... anyways, I was wonder if you could -oh yeah, you already knew about that too... Well, about my grandma, she has this - shit, that's right, you must be aware of that 'cause you already know everthing... well... ... uhhhh... ... yeah, I guess that's about that then. Cheers." I don't know but perhaps God won't constantly tamper with the free will of an individual or bestow stuff on him/her unless the individual asks for intervention.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
So, presumably, we find the person whose fingerprints match those found, but if god planted them, this person may not actually be guilty. You don't find that problematic? Mr. George Burns finger prints found at crime scene? That would be a problem."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I don't know but perhaps God won't constantly tamper with the free will of an individual or bestow stuff on him/her unless the individual asks for intervention. Perhaps. Isn't that kinda childish, though? Is like when I make my dog sit while I'm dangling the treat in front of her... And if god knows everything, then he already knew that I wasn't going to ask for it before I didn't
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't see any reason to doubt any evidence found.
And correct, I do not find that problematic because we can only work with the knowledge available.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not really. I would be unexplainable perhaps but not a problem.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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