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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny.
Also irrelevant to the example I presented. If I know before hand exactly which turns the machine will make then it is still without freewill. The machine might think it has freewill but the print out shows it did not.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Read what I write.
If the God has foreknowledge then that God knows even before that critter is created that that critter will go to hell. Such a God is simply evil.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, that is totally irrelevant and misrepresents the question.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is still totally irrelevant. The discussion is about what God does, not what the human does.
If the God has foreknowledge then that God knows even before that critter is created that that critter will go to hell.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's fine but I can't see how any of that has anything to do with what I asked.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does the Bible say?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does it matter?
GOD is, if GOD exists, whatever GOD is. It does not matter whether or not any humans like or worship the critter.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Lost me there.
What you want or feel comfortable doing is totally unrelated to what GOD might be or do.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Because they are smart, reasonable, logical and rational and have examined the God(s) and god(s) that have been put forward and find they don't stand up to examination and testing.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What does any of that mean?
Phat writes: I would argue, however, that a time of daily prayer and meditation is useful in order to commune with (what I believe to be) God as we know Him. Why commune? What value is there in communing? When you pray do you ask for things to be given to you are do you ask how you can do for others?
Phat writes: I believe that Christian teaching is not simply found in books, however. Christian teaching is alive and interactive....between humans and between God and humans. What does that mean? What Christian teaching? How can teaching be alive or interactive? What and when should we teach God?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Notice that your first two paragraphs have absolutely nothing to do with each other or anything I have said.
The Old Testament is part of the Bible. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. Jesus saw the world through Jewish eyes.
My challenge is to get you to see that God is knowable and not just some character in a book to be discussed via logic, reason, and reality. My point is that human intelligence is limited---my belief is that Gods intelligence is not limited. See, that is just nonsense and word salad. Even if Gods intelligence is not limited, yours as a human is and so that is all you have to work with. You can only process what you can process. Edited by jar, : add 'w'Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How could God help us beyond what we do to help each other? The same way a good parent helps us by teaching us how to do stuff, by giving us chores to do, by giving increasing responsibilities, by holding us accountable for our behavior ...Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Has she had to bail you out before?
Have you stopped gambling? Have you lost more than the dental bill cost by gambling? Did she really help you?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Based on your logic, God does not foreknow what we will decide to do. I might believe this...either God cannot know (which is how we were given free will) and/or God judges based on what WE do (as you have mentioned before) Or God could be just plain evil, like the God in the Calvinist tradition.
Others would say that God overlooks our weaknesses based on what Jesus did. You say that this is marketed by humans and is not what actually happened...right? I have no idea what actually happened or even think that is very important to know what actually happened. What I say is if "God overlooks our weaknesses based on what Jesus did" has no real meaning and just makes that God look stupid.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you are talking about some life after death then that has nothing to do with Jesus message.
Believe anything you want about that, it has nothing to do with reality and even if there is an afterlife what you believe has nothing to do with what will happen.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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