Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,877 Year: 4,134/9,624 Month: 1,005/974 Week: 332/286 Day: 53/40 Hour: 0/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Climate Change is Real
Taq
Member
Posts: 10084
Joined: 03-06-2009
Member Rating: 5.1


(4)
Message 6 of 43 (687093)
01-07-2013 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Coyote
01-07-2013 11:20 AM


Re: Science first?
Before we spend several trillion dollars we don't have and ruin the global economy, let's get the science settled first.
The science was settled by Arhenius in the early 20th century:
quote:
Arrhenius estimated that halving of CO2 would decrease temperatures by 4—5 C (Celsius) and a doubling of CO2 would cause a temperature rise of 5—6 C.[8] In his 1906 publication, Arrhenius adjusted the value downwards to 1.6 C (including water vapor feedback: 2.1 C). Recent (2007) estimates from IPCC say this value (the Climate sensitivity) is likely to be between 2 and 4.5 C. Arrhenius expected CO2 levels to rise at a rate given by emissions in his time. Since then, industrial carbon dioxide levels have risen at a much faster rate: Arrhenius expected CO2 doubling to take about 3000 years; it is now estimated in most scenarios to take about a century.
Svante Arrhenius - Wikipedia
Carbon dioxide will trap heat in our atmosphere. Even if other mechanisms are adding to warming, our contribution to the atmosphere is trapping additional heat that would otherwise be radiated into space. There is no getting around it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by Coyote, posted 01-07-2013 11:20 AM Coyote has not replied

  
Taq
Member
Posts: 10084
Joined: 03-06-2009
Member Rating: 5.1


(7)
Message 25 of 43 (687354)
01-09-2013 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by petrophysics1
01-07-2013 11:05 PM


Re: AAPG Statement on climate change
The AAPG has questioned the science behind human caused climate change and their statement on climate change is:
"In recent decades global temperatures have risen. Yet, our planet has been far warmer and cooler than today many times in the geologic past, including the past 10,000 years."
AAPG=American Association of Petroleum Geologists
In other news, cigarette companies claim that people were dying from cancer before cigarettes became popular which casts serious doubt on the link between cigarettes and lung cancer.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by petrophysics1, posted 01-07-2013 11:05 PM petrophysics1 has not replied

  
Taq
Member
Posts: 10084
Joined: 03-06-2009
Member Rating: 5.1


(3)
Message 26 of 43 (687356)
01-09-2013 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by petrophysics1
01-07-2013 10:39 PM


Re: Geology and Climate Change
A slide show by Dr.Gerhard I think you should be able to follow it. If you then still believe in AGW please explain the graph on page/slide 31 to me.
You mean where the increase in carbon dioxide causes a feedback resulting in higher temps? I think the implications are pretty clear. The initial heating due to the changes in the Earth's wobble and orbit result in higher solar radiation. This, in turn, heats the oceans which releases more CO2 into the atmosphere (not to mention the melting of permafrost which releases massive amounts of methane). The increased CO2 causes a feedback response which causes more warming than the increase in solar radiation alone.
It comes down to a very simple question based on very simple physics. If we increase the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere will this cause the atmosphere to trap more heat, the same amount of heat, or less heat?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by petrophysics1, posted 01-07-2013 10:39 PM petrophysics1 has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024