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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
In this country do you really think the government watchers will not spot and loudly proclaim any evil falsehoods spread by this domestic information flow?
Cough, (WMD in Iraq) Exactly my point. I love it when someone makes my point so clearly for me while thinking they are doing the opposite.
I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that. Did I say that? I think your Big Lie propaganda is showing.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I've long been a critique of the corporate media. Americans are known the world over for their actions against their own best interests. The government can accomplish this through violence or very effective propaganda. Obama and Congress has just made the effects of propaganda on the american people even more successful. I find your reasoning convoluted and silly. It's not because there is not a point to make about the NDAA. It is your attempt to squeeze it into being the topic here that I find forced.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
AZP writes: I love it when someone makes my point so clearly for me while thinking they are doing the opposite. I guess it helps when your point is contradictory. One:America's corporate media was nearly all supporting the WMD lies in Iraq. There were very few media protesters ("government watchers") like the Dixie Chicks and Phil Donahue. And if you recall, they were hammered hard. The criminal invasion of Iraq was committed. Now, the government can indoctrinate the masses even more successfully through the The National Defense Authorization Act. Goebbels would be proud. Are you not in agreement? Two:It would seem you believe "Despite your own use of propaganda I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the government until I see otherwise" is completely OPPOSITE to "I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." Edited by dronester, : wrongly attributed quote
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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It is your attempt to squeeze it into being the topic here that I find forced. And I fell into the thread creep. Thanks for bringing me out. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
NN writes: It's not because there is not a point to make about the NDAA. Ok, good.
NN writes: It is your attempt to squeeze it into being the topic here that I find forced. Ok, but I wish you would have stated this more clearly in your first post.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
dronestar writes: NoNukes writes: I love it when someone makes my point so clearly for me while thinking they are doing the opposite. Please be a little more careful with your reporting. I did not say this.
Goebbels would be proud. At some point, you are actually going to want to accuse someone of fascism. I wonder what terms will be left to use.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
On the other hand, when it comes to the NEWS companies that own the major sources of news, we used to have over 50.. we are now down to 6. So many of the sources are owned by the same people.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Please be a little more careful with your reporting. I did not say this. You are correct, I attributed it to the wrong person. My humble apologies. I'll fix/edit the above post.
NN writes: At some point, you are actually going to want to accuse someone of fascism. Fascism, or sometimes referred to as corporatism, is the conspired actions of government and corporations serving their needs over the best interests of the people. E.g., When the government oks the very profitable act of coporation's fracking over the health welfare of the people, I would call that ONE example of corporatism. Another would be back-door deals with health-insurance companies over the public's welfare. . . . I think I am also being sucked into topic-creep.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
On the other hand, when it comes to the NEWS companies that own the major sources of news, we used to have over 50.. we are now down to 6. So many of the sources are owned by the same people. This was point 2 in your message. By breaking up these conglomerates we broaden the ownership thus taking in more views on the stories of the day. It keeps the Murdochs of the world from having an undue share of political influence. There are still very many more and varied outlets in today's society than in the 50's-70's. A Fairness Doctrine is not necessary. IMHO, limiting the corporate accumulation of outlets will do far more than the doctrine.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There are still very many more and varied outlets in today's society than in the 50's-70's. Such as Democracy Now! | Democracy Now! , which covered the third party candidates in the last presidential election. You can also find international news on the web that seems to be filtered out of US "news" productions. Even BBC on public radio. The problem is getting people off the Faux Noise medication ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined:
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You guys want the BBC?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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You guys want the BBC?
If it were on radio, I would listen more. I can get it on TV, though perhaps I have to pay a higher cable fee to get it. I can get it on short wave, but reception varies depending on the time of day. Actually, if there were a CBC radio station within range, I would listen to that. For me, it is mostly NPR. But BBC and CBC would be good alternatives if they were more easily available.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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vimesey Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I get a stupid number of radio stations (including the BBC ones) on my Sonos system - I think (don't quote me on this) that it's streamed through Spotify ?
You can also stream quite a few BBC radio programmes through the BBC website. (If you fancy a good laugh, listen to the streams of I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue on Radio 4 - Listen Live - BBC Sounds ) I'm hugely off-topic here, so will stop there Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
marc9000 writes: The reason is obvious - the news media doesn't want it discussed. Not only the liberal media, but Fox news and conservative talk radio don't want it discussed either. Conservative news outlets and mainstream news outlets don't have a lot in common, but they'll unite in a heartbeat to maintain the status quo. ... Yeah, it would put Faux Noise out of business. Enjoy. Probably safer to say that it would affect all of the big news organizations equally. Of course, I have a personal opinion like you - I think it would put PMSNBC out of business. I’m reminded of the time it’s parent, NBC made news of its own 20 years ago - remember it? In an extraordinary public apology, NBC said Tuesday night that it erred in staging a fiery test crash of a General Motors pickup truck for its "Dateline NBC" news program and agreed to settle a defamation suit filed by the auto maker. Lawsuits were being brought against General Motors for a suspected design flaw that made their 80’s pickup trucks susceptible to fuel tank explosions in some side impact crashes. NBC’s dateline program performed their own crash tests on the pickups, [sarcasm]undoubtedly for the sole purpose of keeping their viewers fully informed. [/sarcasm] They secretly rigged the trucks with explosives, to make sure the explosions were very sensational. Unfortunately, they were a little too careless, and a careful examination of the videos showed the explosion happening a split second before impact, and GM busted them on it. Until now, I never suspected it as anything more than an attempt at sensationalism, as serious as that type of fraud is. The above linked LA Times article has one sentence in it that arouses suspicion of something else however;
quote: So I may have been mistaken in thinking that the lie of NBC’s test was only to make pretty pictures for its viewers, NBC could also have been on the take from “plaintiff’s lawyers and others” who stood to make big money with lawsuits against GM. A NEWS ORGANIZATION TAKING BRIBES TO MISREPRESENT THE NEWS AND ATTEMPT TO DISHONESTLY BRING A CORPORATION DOWN. If you think Fox News ever, past, present, or future, engaged, is engaging, or will engage in any type of fraud even remotely approaching NBC’s crime, start a thread with some specific details on it and we’ll compare the two. I was quite interested in that NBC fiasco 20 years ago, and can confidently state that bicyclist Lance Armstrong’s lie is getting far more press attention today than NBC’s lie did then. It’s appalling.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.4 |
Step 1) Return to the Fairness Doctrine , which originally was instituted in 1947, and repealed in 1988 by the FCC under Ronald Reagan. Step 2) Break up the News stations.. and make a maximum number of stations that any one company can hold. Step 3) If a station or program calls itself 'News', it has to report News factually , without snide remarks and heaps of opinion. .. It has to tell the truth. If it violates those conditions, it can't call itself News. Step 4) Regulate the KIND of language being used. Often, you will see yellow journalism use such words as 'perps, or 'slime' or other adjectives to bash someone. Get away from emotionally charged langauage with very little semantic value except to poison the well, and, well, be factual. People can make up their own minds. Oh gosh , that would eliminate Beck, and Olberman, and Limbaugh... Most of the talk shows, Limbaugh for sure, and probably Beck and Olberman and all the others, don’t call themselves news programs, and are seldom affiliated with any news organization.
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