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It's got plenty of room to move, just as much as the European and North American plates do.If you have the European and North American plates moving orders of magnitude faster than they are now, the rest of the plates have to move at comparable speeds. So Abe and the gang would have been sitting on multiple major earthquakes per day.

Yup, you are ignoring a major problem with your fantasy, as usual.If you want to claim it's reasonable that two plates moved orders of magnitude faster than they do today, you must consider the big picture. Those plates didn't move in a vacuum, they moved towards and along other plates which in turn moved towards and along other plates and so on all around the world.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

This is where the Atlantic plate meets the Eurasian plate in Iceland. There are places where you can have a foot on each continent. The whole are is active, hot springs and geysers everywhere and a volcano or 8. This one ruined the world's travel plans a couple of years ago: If those plates moved faster that their current 2.5cm per year, you'd see a lot more of that happening.I've stood in that Atlantic ridge and felt my boots get hot, seen rocks smoking and been on an island where there wasn't one 6 months ago and was too new to be on a map.The trouble with sitting at a computer looking at these phenomena thinking you can figure it all out, is that it gives you no no idea of the enormity of it.

And the (several) episodes of large-scale erosion. Semicolon. And the eruption of the Cardenas Lava, which, as it is basalt not gabbro, and pahoehoe rather than pillow basalt, we know to be extrusive and subaerial. Exclamation mark.So, quite a lot of exceptions then, don't you think. Question mark.

And it is true that erosion and the impact of life occurred to the strata as they were laid down, that some layers are terrestrial and some are marine.It is true that each of the layers are not sorted by grain size from large on the bottom to small at the top, so they cannot be flood deposits. And then you get thirteen lava dams across the canyon that have been eroded through and beyond so that the river now runs below the bottom of the canyon when the dams existed.Each occurred at a different time. Evidence of Lava Dams in the Western Grand Canyon

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Dam	Elevation (m)	Height (m)	K-Ar Age (Ma)	Number of Flows	Dam Length (km)	Lake Length (km)	Water Fill Time	Sediment Fill Time
Prospect	1200	699	1.8	3	?	518	23 yr	3018 yr
Lava Butte	1050	560	?	Several	?	?	?	?
Toroweap	927	424	1.2	5	16	283	2.6 yr	345 yr
Whitmore	750	270	0.99	40+	29	173	240 days	88 yr
Ponderosa	840	339	0.61	1	19	202	1.5 yr	163 yr
Buried Canyon	744	255	0.89	8	?	173	231 days	87 yr
Esplanade	780	288	?	8	13	174	287 days	92 yr
"D" Dam	689	191	0.58	40	?	123	87 days	31 yr
Lava Falls	678	180	?	1	35	123	86 days	30 yr
Black Ledge	610	111	0.55	1	138+	85	17 days	7 yr
Layered Diabase	581	89	0.62	20	22	67	8 days	3 yr
Massive Diabase	548	68	0.44	1	16	64	5 days	1.4 yr
Gray Ledge	544	61	0.78	1	21	59	2 days	0.9 yr

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And of course you have still failed to deal with the speleothem ages which also occurred after the flood and thus would have modern scientific decay rates.Lava Flows in the Grand Canyon

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Geologists estimate that between 1.8 million and 400,000 years ago, lava flows actually dammed the Colorado River more than a dozen times. Some of the lava dams were as high as 600 meters (about 1,969 feet), forming immense reservoirs. Over time, enough water and sediment built up to push the river flow over the tops of these dams and eventually erode them away. Today, remnants of these lava dams remain throughout the area, along with the much older rock layers they cover. Among the most well known examples of these frozen lava cascades is Lava Falls, which spills down to the river next to a cinder cone known as Volcan’s Throne. Numerous flows spread down into Whitmore Canyon, a Colorado River tributary, as well.

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The time to fill with water behind these dams should give you an idea of the flow rate of the river in modern times (before damming).What they don't provide is the time it took to erode through the solidified and cooled lava rock.Cyclic aggradation and downcutting, fluvial response to volcanic activity, and calibration of soil-carbonate stages in the western Grand Canyon, Arizona

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... The current cycle (I) started ~700 yr B.P. The oldest (IV) includes the 603,000 8000 to 524,000 7000 yr Black Ledge basalt flow, emplaced when the river channel was ~30 m higher than it is now. ...

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... 30 meters is ~100 feet.And your imaginary magic time flow is over.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ...

As JonF says, you have to consider more than the Atlantic separation. Faith has not even considered the vulcanism associated with plate tectonics. One decent volcanic eruption can cool the world for a year or more. In a short time she has to build a lot of land based currently extinct volcanoes as well as the seamounts. The there is the Deccan traps, the Siberian traps, and many many more lava flows totalling a minimum of 10.000.000 cubic kilometres of lava to be produced. With some of this still going on in 100BC SOMEONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED.
Well maybe not. If things were proceeding at that rate tere would be no sentient life on Earth

I reject that theory RAZD, plants in sediments are not proof of a "terrestrial" environment now memorialized in rock, the idea is silly, sorry. but obviously I'm going to have to work on it elsewhere.And I have NO idea why lava dams should be a problem for Flood theory. The timing you accept is wacko of course, but the facts are fine, something to work on later also. Volcanic activity was big right after the Flood, along with the tectonic and other disturbances that didn't occur until all the strata were laid down.
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Hey, all I did was correct the idea that creationists think the plates moved "miles per day." All the OE speculations you can come up with are a problem only in your mind.

Some of the plates had only a short distance to move. So its speed from its point of origin to its current location needs to be calculated, starting with its original distance.

Just mopping up operations, no real challenges I'm sure.

Prove it. SHow us the numbers. Until you have done this, you have no hypothesis about the opening of the Atlantic.

Yes, well, you've been sure about a lot of things that turned out to be incredibly ... what's the word ... ah yes ... wrong.Your "years of research" have, apparently, taught you one thing and one thing only: that in the Grand Canyon region, many of the sedimentary layers lie in a more or less horizontal attitude.So you think that having discovered one single fact about rocks (a fact which we know to be entirely consistent with real geology) dealing with all the other facts is merely "mopping up"? It's as though you removed a drop of water from the Atlantic with a pipette and announced that all that remained was a little mopping up. A few paper towels should do it. "No real challenges I'm sure."

What are they then please Faith ?

When you call me wrong I've kind of learned it's a clue that I'm right. Your photos proved what I was saying, not your opinion. Etc.

I haven't said it often enough? Plants carried along with the sediment in the Flood waters and deposited as a layer wherever they happen to be found.Ta da!