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thirdly, the vast majority of any that made it out of our atmosphere, would presumably miss the moon anyway. We don't send moon up vehicles randomly.
Bonkers.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Once a scientist is committed to a particular theory of age then that's what the scientist "sees" wherever he or she looks. Perfectly understandable. Don't try to change history Faith. Pretty much all 19th century Western scientists believed what you believe about the age of the earth. They only very grudgingly changed their collective minds over time when they were presented with the overwhelming evidence. That's what science does and faith doesn't.
Also perfectly understandable that a person committed to the time table of the Bible "sees" it all quite differently. Now that IS correct. You start with a belief and try to make reality fit - regardless of the fact that it plainly doesn't.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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No Faith, you don't get to re-write history or science the way you'd like it to be.
The young earth idea was abandonned because it was proven to be wrong - despite decades of trying to maintain the prevailing view - just like the flat earth idea. No-one but the delusional now thinks either of those disproven ideas are correct.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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kbertsche writes: Not true. The age of the earth was fairly well accepted in the 19th century, at least from the middle of the century onward. Even conservative Christians generally accepted the evidence for the age of the earth. There's a hundred years in a century. At the beginning of the century by far the majority view was that the earth was young. It took time and a lot of evidence to change that position amongst an almost universal Christian scientific community. The point is that the prevailing understanding was of a young earth which wasn't easily changed and had to be hard won by evidence. It wasn't, as Faith would have you believe, the starting point that couldn't be changed, it was, in fact, the reverse.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: It took time and a lot of ARGUMENT in the scientific societies, NOT evidence. All they had was the subjective speculations of Hutton for starters and Lyell's arguments for Hutton's speculations, and other speculations that piled on top of those. NOT EVIDENCE, just speculation. "Gee it sure seems to me that it must have taken a lot longer than six thousand years..." That's about the extent of your "evidence" in those days. The process was the same as all scientific discovery - a hypothesis is formed "Gee it sure seems to me that it must have taken a lot longer than six thousand years..." Then the evidence is gathered to support or reject it. The saner ones accept the evidence.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: The point should be recognized that it is only a hypothesis, that all they had in the end and still have is the idea that it looked to them like it must have taken more than 6000 years, and eventually others got persuaded and that's the so-called "evidence" you have. You are amazing Faith, it's like the 200 years since Hutton hadn't happened. There's 200 years of corroborating evidence from several different branches of science that the earth is old. What Hutton thought, like what Darwin thought, is a matter of historic interest only. Saying that Hutton is all we have is the equivalent of saying that the formula for gunpowder is all NASA has.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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200 years Faith. You've got some catching up to do.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith writes: Not missing this at all. Of course some interpretations are wrong, that's the whole point. It's the establishment interpretations I judge to be wrong.' You think pretty much everything is wrong though don't you? Geology, palaeontology, astronomy, biology, genetics, physics and pretty much any natural science. You think all non-religions are wrong as are all religions that are not Christian. You even think that the vast majority of Christians are wrong and even most of those Christians that call themselves creationists and are 'saved' are wrong. In fact, when you get down to it, it's pretty much only what Faith prefers to believe that is right isn't it? I reckon you're in a set of 1. (Or as close as makes no difference.)Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Your delusion is so entrenched that you don't even know what you're denying - even when it's spelled out to you. But there's no getting away from it, you deny virtually all of science and all but a tiny slice of one religion - you keep telling us this.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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