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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Skepticblog » How many real creationists are there?
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Thread copied here from the How many Creationists in US? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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On average, this suggests that the true YECs are only about 10% of the American population (31 million people), I find that hard to believe. That is, I bet most of the people who qualified as a YEC because of the poll they took, would not say they believed it if they were pressed with the ramifications of the belief. Its easy to check a box in a poll. But to tell someone to their face that you believe something as incredibly stupid and unrealistic as YEC, especially in light of all the ridiculous beliefs that you'd have to bring along with it, is something that a very very small number of people would be willing to do.
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My guess is that while about 30-40% of the people might suggest that the Bible is essentially correct at least about where people came from, the overwhelming majority of that population just like the overwhelming majority of the remaining 60% or so, don't have a well-formed opinion about astronomy, biology, etc. There is a large group of creationists are people who believe there was an Adam and Eve and a Noah, and have no idea about Ussher's chronology or any desire to know how old the stars are.
That does not mean that those creationists are not superstitious, but I think it is true that most people give the stuff we routinely discuss here the least bit of thought or consideration.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
Most people who self-identfy as YECs don't have a clue what all the implications are. Even the most prolific creationists, like Faith, have to conveniently ignore most of the implications.
... in light of all the ridiculous beliefs that you'd have to bring along with it....
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Most people who self-identfy as YECs don't have a clue what all the implications are. Even the most prolific creationists, like Faith, have to conveniently ignore most of the implications. That's part of why I cannot accept that they actually believe it. Sure, you can easily check a box in a poll and say you believe something, but that's a lot different that actually committing to it and accepting it as an thought-out truth (and bringing along with it the necessary implications). It doesn't take much introspection to realize that an actual belief in YEC is ridiculous and unacceptable. But that's more than people are doing when they take a poll and go: "Hey, I like my beliefs on God, I'll check this box". That's why I can't accept the results of a poll like this as actually representing anything that people have thought through and come to a belief in. It tells us more about the kind of knee-jerk reactions people will have when proposed an alternative to something they are uncomfortable with (or that they'll just choose the God option regardless of the ramifications). People will say anything, but that doesn't mean they actually believe it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
As Bart Simpson once said (and I paraphrase), "If you have absolutely no follow-up questions, my answer is 'yes'." That's part of why I cannot accept that they actually believe it. There are those who "believe" off the cuff but take it no farther and there are those who will argue for a while and then run away when they can't make any sense of it themselves. And then there are those like Faith who will swear blind that black is white and anybody who can't see it is an idiot. Those should be the options on the poll.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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It reminds me of those polls that show that people want to repeal Obamacare while keeping all of its provisions ...
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: People will say anything, but that doesn't mean they actually believe it. I think the main reason that happens, is at least in West Texas, people don't even know why they believe in anything other than being told to by some authority figure, regardless of integrity. If one can't read a subtitled movie, how does one read Kant, Spinoza, Plato, or for that matter even the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or -- heaven forbid -- the Bible. You have to admit, the individuals posting here are outliers relative to the general population. I know most people in the USA are too busy preserving their at-risk jobs, trying to juggle career and family, trying to pay for medical issues, to even be bothered by polls. They are apt to say anything to get these annoyances out of their face. Through lack of time and therefore information, they are manipulated into voting for the source of their misery. For a bit of irony, my sister, a group leader at LANL, is utterly astounded anyone questions the basics of physical science or evolution, deep history, or climate change, even though she is at the Lutheran Church every Sunday morning -- ask anyone in Los Alamos, including the bartenders, custodians, and cab drivers -- they will be equally astounded -- different world. Edited by anglagard, : Clarity and grammar Edited by anglagard, : spellin' as usualRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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