Re-enactments of the Noah's Ark voyage?

As an addition to my post at this website you can verify a world record rainfall. Page not found – Missouri Pilots AssociationFrom this site:

The global (Noachian) flood is a myth/fairy-tale/fantasy.It didn't happen.The Ark was never built. Noah probably never existed. We are not all descended from Noah and his kids and their wives.The Ark concept falls apart upon even a cursory inspection from a realistic/scientific/logical analysis.It's a bloody fairytale that adults should be nigh upon ashamed for believing as a fact. In fact I thought that such a belief all but disappeared a century or so ago - but American fundamentalists keep medieval nonsense (Yes - NONSENSE) like this alive.How do people who believe this crap function in modern society?
I mean do they suspend all logic in the rest of their lives and just stay at home all day or can they blithely live a normal life but in the recesses of their challenged mentalities keep this idiocy alive.

The elevation increase would not have any adiabatic cooling as the atomosphere is moving up with the sea level raise. This was discussed elsewhere.------------------
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That figure of 73 inchs per hour is not really very useful other than getting an idea of an extreme upper bound. If it only lasted for seconds it is one thing. For rainfall to average several inches per hour over several hours is something else. It think that is the more interesting number.

Please, guys, try to stay on the main subject -- what one would have to do to re-enact some reasonable approximation of Noah's legendary voyage.whatever:
...like simple metal sluice gates that could be opened and closed to flush out wastes...Except that there is one little problem: any water let in must be pumped out of the Ark afterwards....with simple siphons to draw water in, or flush fluids out...Except for a few little problems: siphons do not make water flow uphill, as is necessary for draining the lower levels of the ark, and the floodwaters would likely be very salty, and thus unfit to drink by the Ark's land-adapted inhabitants.... with extra ballast, the ark would of rode lower within the wave base, making it extremely stable...I agree that the Ark could easily be made stable against capsizing; however, the Ark also has to be stable against falling apart.

Nosyned
I merely used the world record of 73 inches per hour in a major unusual cloudburst to compare to the average noahic flood rate of 6.6 inches per minute [396 inches pre hour!]Of course if thre deluge of rainfall were happening at this extreme a rate even over Everest then before the sealevel rose significantly would there not be major warming trends in those mountainous regions where the snow is still falling due to elevation? 6.6 inches per hour rainfall now falling as snow which in order for it to do must release heat to the surrounding atmosphere in order to freeze. What would the effect of that much heat energy being deposited in the atmosphere do to it?I am sorry to get off topic perhaps we can reaquaint ourselves with that thread where we did discuss this?

Dear Sidelined:In the U.S., rainfall is measured in inches as you know from your Denver data. The National weather service maintains rainfall gauges at most municipal airports of any size and releases that data from which you apparently got yours either directly or indirectly regarding Denver. In Evansville, Indiana, on Sunday, May 9, 1996, at about 6:25 pm CDT, it began raining intensely for about 35 minutes. The weather service spreadsheet showed that it rained 3.75 inches at the Evansville Dress Regional Airport between the time of 5:54 and 6:54 pm, CDT, as that is their hourly start and stop measuring period hour by hour. I was 1/2 mile East of the airport specifically to observe the effects of this storm since we had a project under observation regarding a reported storm water drainage problem. (I just happened to be travelling home when I observed this particularly mean-looking storm approaching.)Rainfall intensity is measured in inches per hour. Intensity is a factor that is used with other factors in determining the assignment of "return period storms" for a particular local. I don't have my chart at home with me, but if I recall correctly, that particular storm that generated 3.75 inches in about 30 minutes (a rainfall intensity of 7.5 inches per hour) exceeded a 300-year return period storm on the chart for Evansville, Indiana as provided by Purdue University for use in the State of Indiana.Now, the closer an area is to the Gulf of Mexico and East of Texas, the higher intensity in "inches per hour" has to be to accomplish a level of assignment as a 100-year return period, a 50-year return period, or a 25-year return period storm, etc. Way out West in Denver, and other high plains areas, the rainfall intensities are historically much lower. Next week at the office I will provide you with more specific information and examples. However, rainfall intensities of 5.5 inches per hour are rather common in Mississippi, Louisiana, and East Texas, although they routinely cause localized flash flooding since storm water systems for roads, subdivisions, and other municipal projects seldom provide drainage systems designed for much more than a 25-year return period storm for watersheds less than one square mile, 50-year return period storms for watersheds up to 50 square miles, etc. Emergency overflow facilities, channel floodway capacities, etc., are only required by most state and national standards and regulations to effectively prevent flooding of homes and businesses during a 100-year return period storm, and most levee systems are built to protect against flooding from the 500-year return period storm.

lpetrich, Like simple Water Ram Pumps that require moving water to operate, moves water uphill without electricity, via water hammer like principles, the wave action would of provided this source of free energy, etc...The Pretoria also was built over 327 feet in length that served as a barge ship, without falling apart for 5 years, however it sank, because they didn't get their sea anchors out in time, when it lost power, the sea anchors orintate the ship so the waves don't pound the sides of the ship, etc...With the advent of the industrial age, no reason to build large wooden ships, however the USS Dunderberg, was over 377 feet in length, it was a warship that was a wood ship with metal clad, the ark was pitched inside and out, which becomes hard, is not this the reason they use pitch to this day, to seal and to deflect the wave energies, so wooden ships don't shake apart, etc...
P.S. Psalm 104, explains that after the flood God lowered the ocean basins, and caused the mountain to rise, even to this day the mountains are rising a bit, probably due to the gravitation of the moon, meaning, if the earth was smooth sphere, there is more than enough water in the oceans to cover the earth over 1/2 mile, etc...[This message has been edited by whatever, 12-27-2003][This message has been edited by whatever, 12-27-2003]

Where do you get this stuff?Whatever - please inform us of any science background you have, it seems woefully inadequate

whatever,The ram pump idea is interesting, but I don't for the moment believe that Noah had the technology to build one. Look up some ram pumps and ask yourself if it would really be possible to construct a working one with early Bronze Age technology. Plus, ram pumps may work if you had a ship going at decent speed through the water to provide the "power" for it to work, but I can't see how it would work in an ark with no propulsion system depending on the occasional big wave hitting the intakes just right.As far as mountain building, we know how mountains form. The continents are moving, and when two continents are pushing into each other it causes buckling and folding, and mountains are raised. There is no doubt about this, as modern technology can actually measure the movements of the continents - and, sure enough, they are moving in the correct directions to explain the mountains we see. The beauty of this theory is that it also explains past geology very well.There is no scientific principle that explains how God could have raised mountains and lowered valleys in such a short amount of time necessary for the flood geologists. You need to invoke a miracle, which is why this is religion and not science.

Eta_Carinae, I get most of this stuff from the internet, Walt Browns site, answers in genesis, etc...
P.S. Stuff like there is more than enough waters in the ocean to cover the earth 1/2 mile with water, if the earth was a smooth sphere, kjv psalm 104:8, etc...

You do know that Walt Brown is a scientific dope, don't you?

Proof of Noah's Flood at the Black Sea?
What has Robert Ballard Really Found?
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In a recent article from the Washington Post, explorer Robert Ballard (discoverer of the Titanic) led a team to the Black Sea in search of evidence for Noah's Flood. About 550 feet below the surface, they found evidence of a ‘sudden, catastrophic flood around 7,500 years agothe possible source of the Old Testament story of Noah.’They captured sonar images of a ‘gentle berm and a sandbar submerged undisturbed for thousands of years on the sea floor.’ Then using radiocarbon dating, they determined that the remains of the freshwater mollusks found on this submerged beach were 7,500 years old and that the saltwater species were only 6,900 years old. (By the way, radiocarbon is not reliable in giving accurate dates going back thousands of years. AiG believes that Noah's Flood should be dated to about 4,300 years ago.)In an interview, Ballard said, ‘What we wanted to do is prove to ourselves that it was the biblical flood.’According to Columbia University geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman, who had predicted where this shoreline would be found in the Black Sea, describe the flood as such: ‘The Black Sea was created when melting glaciers raised the sea level until the sea breached a natural dam at what is now the Bosporus, the strait that separates the Mediterranean Sea from the Black Sea. An apocalyptic deluge followed, inundating the freshwater lake below the dam, submerging thousands of square miles of dry land, flipping the ecosystem from fresh water to salt practically overnight, and probably killing thousands of people and billions of land and sea creatures.’Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, replied to Ballard, Ryan, and Pitman's claim with, ‘All modern critical Bible scholars regard the tale of Noah as legendary. There are other flood stories, but if you want to see the Black Sea flood in Noah's flood, who's to say no?’We agree that they indeed have found evidence for a huge flood in the Black Sea area. But we do not support their claim that this was Noah's Flood. You see, in order to justify their assertion, they declare that the record of Noah's Flood in the Bible is legendary and just a myth. They say the ‘myth’ originated from a real event (their Black Sea flood), but that it has been grossly distorted and exaggerated as it was relayed by word of mouth before eventually being written down. By using the term ‘myth’ they can disregard all the details of the biblical account that do not fit their Black Sea claim.Pitman recently spoke about this idea during an Australian lecture tour. Now in his mid 70s, Pitman has an interesting talk. He has conducted some excellent geological work in the Black Sea area. He presented good geological evidence that the Black Sea suddenly rose in level when a land barrier with the Mediterranean Sea failed, allowing water to flow in suddenly.Unfortunately, he handles the biblical record carelessly. Noah's Flood was not a local flood in the Black Sea area, but a world-wide flood that has left its mark on every continent on this planet.Pitman knows that his link between the Black Sea flood and Noah's Flood does not fit with the Bible. For example, his Black Sea flood does not have 40 days and nights of rain (He says the ‘whole event probably lasted about 40 years’), does not have a 140-meter ark as described in the Bible, does not cover the highest mountains, does not recede off the Earth etc, etc. Pitman knows it does not fit, shrugs his shoulders and when questioned about it he simply said he does not read the Bible literally. Therefore, his link with Noah's Flood is totally arbitrary. He wants a flood, so plucks Noah's Flood out of the air. It is a good flood to pick because it sells lots of books. Furthermore, the geologists love him. They think by saying that Noah's Flood was a local flood then they can dismiss the implications of the real global Flood described in the Bible.This is just another attempt to undermine the integrity of the biblical account of Noah's Flood. However, the Bible claims to be the Word of God and ‘All scripture is given by inspiration of God,’ (2 Tim. 3:16). To say that Noah's Flood was anything other than what Scripture says it was (i.e., a global flood) is tantamount to declaring that God is a liar. If God is lying, then we cannot trust any part of the Bible, including the Gospel message of the Cross, which means there is no hope for salvation and eternal life. The implications of Ballard's claims are far more serious than many realize.------------------
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Chiroptera, Walt Browns hydroplate theory, aligning with the biblical fountains of the deep erupting out from under the ocean basins laterally, like how your able to move a refrigerator hydraulically with a little compressed air , the steam/water erupting, when God stopped the fountains of the deep kjv genesis 8:2, it recompressed back to water, as the ocean mantle sank because to the waters that were no longer under the oceans floor, hydraulically, steam compressing back into pressurized water, by the flood waters that were also pressing down, etc... It's been confirmed that the fountains of the deep are all broken up, kjv genesis 7:11, by the deep Russian kola well, where they are finding fractured rock and water over 7 miles into the earth.
P.S. I'm not sure on the Ram pump principle, if the wave energies could be used to generate a siphon, all one needs to do is to establish a siphon, and the waters could be siphoned continously, etc...

Can Brown explain how Noah survived the boiling of the oceans?I suggest that you will save a lot of time if you go to TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy and do a search on hydroplate. There is some discussion there that you might find interesting.If you want to drag it out here there are a number of us who would have fun with that. Picking Brown as your source makes it particularly fun! Thanks for that.------------------
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