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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I'm posting this to let people know I've seen the latest complaints and have recently begun moderating these threads:
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I don't normally moderate religious threads, but I did check in on that thread in response to Faith's complaint. I hadn't read any ScottRP messages before, and seeing some for the first time it sturck me that his many one-line and/or very brief messages are determinedly platitudinous and avoid engaging responses in a meaningful way. Vaguely mystical spiritual comments do not a discussion make. Your own message was over-the-top, but just what is the right response to someone who doesn't seem to care about the poor impression he's making (he seemed fairly clueless to me), nor about what a waste he's making of all the efforts to engage in discussion with him.
That's my frank opinion, but perhaps I'm insufficiently understanding of the religious mindset, so maybe it's good that I don't usually moderate religious threads.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
JonF writes: Since Faith has explicitly admitted she isn't attempting to do science, the "Origin of the Flood Layers" thread should not be in a science forum. I could do that, but I'd want Faith's assent first. Given that a primary goal of creation science is to satisfy scientific criteria as much as possible, I was hoping Faith might reconsider her approach eschewing science. But if Faith, too, would prefer another venue then the possibilities are Faith and Belief and Free For All.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Faith writes: Proving the Flood DOES require a different approach than simply setting out as a scientist to discover something about the world. Science is knowledge uncovered using a scientific approach. If you're going to use a (in your own words) different approach then it isn't science.
I get tired of being told I'm failing to do "correct science" so OK, maybe it's not "correct science" with its models and so on... Not sure what you mean here. Science has no requirement concerning models, and I don't know what "and so on" refers to.
BUT I'm looking for evidence... Which is a very good thing and something that all scientists do in support of a hypothesis. Where scientists differ from you is that they form a *plausible* hypothesis based upon available but currently insufficient evidence, and then they test that hypotheses by seeking additional evidence that indicates whether it is true or false. (Usually each scientist or scientific group has a preferred hypothesis, and so it is fine that you have a preferred hypothesis.) So, yes, your approach differs most from science in that your preferred hypothesis is not plausible based upon the available evidence, but that isn't the chief concern. Far worse is that most aspects of your preferred hypothesis are directly contradicted by the available evidence, beginning several hundred years ago and becoming increasingly contradicted by it as our knowledge has grown. As moderator I am not taking a position on the debate itself in the Origin of the Flood Layers thread, just on whether any particular argument or evidence qualifies as science.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Faith and Jon,
If posts continue that provoke concerns please let know.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
The spread of unrest and war in Africa and southwest Asia is a worthy topic of discussion, but not here. If there's interest, someone should start a thread in Coffee House.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Your link is to Message 1 of the whole discussion board, and I can't the thread in any thread list. Do you remember where you found it?
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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If you move them to "Spam Threads" with the "Move the thread..." button selected (instead of "Create an open copy...") then the thread isn't deleted, just moved out of sight of non-moderators.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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I took a quick look at Message 1 of A Tree is a Tree: Growthmanship in the Developed World , and at the last few messages of the thread. I decided it would take more time than I have to understand the issues under discussion well enough to make an intelligent determination. Sorry. Maybe another moderator will take a look.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
The link he posted is for competitive website analysis information, so I'm calling him a spammer.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Faith writes: No I'm not characterizing what Geology teaches in that series of posts, I'm characterizing the implications of what it teaches which show the basic absurdity of the whole Time Scale. That's a pretty ambitious goal for any thread, and in a thread about education pursuing that goal will only draw it off-topic. Where you could help out most in the thread is keeping other participants aware of YEC opinions and viewpoints. What I want to prevent is lengthy off-topic discussions. I wish I could address the specifics of your above comment, but you didn't answer my question about whether you think you're representing YEC views or standard geology. You say you're "characterizing the implications of what [geology] teaches," but geology says does not say that "the slab stayed a slab," nor that "there is no source of mountain building to be had." This short post has taken a very long time to write because most of that time has been spent trying to figure out your meaning. Unless you can be more clear, or at least give direct answers to my questions, I don't know what to say.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I'm cleaning this up now.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Bump that I'm cleaning this up.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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The spam cleanup has been completed. I have temporarily disabled new registrations because they began registering new accounts while I was suspending and cleaning up after the old.
Admins please also note that I have temporarily made the spam threads forum inactive so that it doesn't clutter up the All Topics list.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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He registered about 20 accounts and didn't use them all, so the one's he didn't use weren't suspended. I went through the list of last night's registrations and they all looked suspect, so I suspended the remaining ones that weren't already suspended.
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