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Author Topic:   In defense of prophecy
Brian
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Message 4 of 22 (76607)
01-05-2004 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
01-05-2004 7:37 AM


Hi,
In conclusion, I vaguely suppose that events could have been written to support earlier writings. But come on!
I really do not see any references from any external sources in your post, so all you have are claims from people who are trying to support their belief that Jesus was referred to in Old Testament prophecies.
This is very weak Phatboy, do you know what circular reasoning is?
For example, how do you know that:
Jesus was a descendant of Abraham.
Jesus was born of Jacob's line.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem.
Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (or two).
Jesus was betrayed by a friend.
Jesus was beaten and spat on.
Hopefully you get the idea, so essentially how do you know Jesus fulfilled any of these Old Testament prophecies?
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4989 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 10 of 22 (76694)
01-05-2004 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
01-05-2004 4:39 PM


Re: Some more food for thought
HI,
We have all seen the arguments and the counter arguments. Would it not be fair to go with the possible identities of Jesus, often quoted, of being either Lord, Liar, or Lunatic?
You seem to have a liking for Josh McDowell’s work, I noticed you used his ‘ant’ analogy on another thread. Although the Lord Liar Lunatic (trilemma) began with Lewis, McDowell’s readers seem to think that this is a good argument. It is a pretty poor argument as these three choices are not the only possible options, Jesus could have simply been a figment of someone’s imagination.
Great man and just another prophet do not apply to Him.
Why not? In Islam he is just another prophet.
If the writers were trying to make Him fit the scenario of Messiah, He must have been either a Lunatic who thought that He was God Incarnate or He was a manipulator along with the writers.
So he may have been a lunatic then?
There is also the added problem that no one who wrote abut him actually knew him, there are no contemporary eyewitness reports.
If Jesus was not the Son of God, who was this guy?
What information have we to use to help us determine a conclusion?

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