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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tangle writes:
Down boy. Stay.
Atheists have a large angry dog in this fight.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's pretty much the definition of "made up".
A great deal of doctrine is inferred....
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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ringo writes: Faith writes:
That's pretty much the definition of "made up". A great deal of doctrine is inferred.... Early on, I inferred that "original sin" must be a challenge. I did my best."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Omnivorous writes:
If the original sin was eating an apple, that isn't hard to beat.
Early on, I inferred that "original sin" must be a challenge. I did my best.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Faith writes: There is only one true religion, one true revelation of God and that is the Bible. Nothing "made up" about it. If I thought any of it was I wouldn't be a believer. I knew you were going to say that.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2160 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
Tangle writes:
You've never come across scientists who are dogmatic?!? The point I'm making is that when religions drop long held doctrines, they expose themselves to the obvious criticism that they were wrong about what they previously described as a truth. The comparison with science is not valid - science is a search for knowledge from evidence and its finding are admitted to be tentative and subject to change. Religions are dogmatic - believe this or go to hell.
You've never come across religious believers who are humble?!? Science is man's attempt to understand nature. Theology is man's attempt to understand God and holy Scripture. Both understandings are necessarily incomplete and subject to correction and improvement. Serious students of both disciplines readily admit this."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You've never come across scientists who are dogmatic?!? You've never come across religious believers who are humble?!? In the case of Biblical revelation it is NOT humble to subject it to fallible human scrutiny. THat's in fact the opposite of humility.
Science is man's attempt to understand nature. Theology is man's attempt to understand God and holy Scripture. I don't think so. Not Christian theology. It's an attempt to understand what God has revealed in scripture. Your way of putting it implies something more like working in the dark to come up with something that convinces us.
Both understandings are necessarily incomplete and subject to correction and improvement. Serious students of both disciplines readily admit this. I agree there is always more to learn about the Bible. But using it to validate evolution is not good theology, it's reading your own prejudices into it.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Only literal-minded dunderheadedness requires the Bible to state doctrine in so many words. A great deal of doctrine is inferred, but that takes a lot of thought, which is beyond some. Again, thank you Faith. Yes, almost all doctrine is stuff the salesmen make up and NOT what Jesus or what is actually written in the bible stories. Finally you admit the truth. Doctrine is made up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How stuppidd. inference is a method of solving puzzles. You assemble the facts and study how they are related to each other. Utter utter stupppidddity to call that making stuff up,. Sheer iddiocy.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So you say; yet the fact remains that doctrine very seldom resembles or even reflects what is actually written.
When you ignore truth and facts then your inferences are unlikely to be correct. You do not assemble facts, rather you simply ignore those facts that do not fit your desired conclusion.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Your way of putting it implies something more like working in the dark to come up with something that convinces us. That's probably more how we reckon the original priests, back in the day, did it.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
First sin ever = original sin.
Hid from God. Communication broken. Passed this on to the rest of us. None of us naturally has communication with God. We are told in the New Testament that salvation is regeneration or "quickening," from which we infer that the spirit had died. Adam and Eve did eventually die physically, which they would not have if they hadn't disobeyed God. We all inherit susceptibility to diseases of all kinds and death, which we would not have if they hadn't disobeyed God. Inference from New Testament's saying death entered the world by Adam. Not spending much time on this, you aren't going to get it anyway. The idea of a "desired conclusion" is perfect iddiocy. Where would anyone get the idea to desire any particular explanation of these things? They can only be arrived at by study. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But you are proving my point. You are simply repeating stuff the New Testament writers and later apologists made up and ignoring what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 story.
I would be more honest to say that the god character lied and the serpent told the truth that the Original Sin is the god character issuing commands while denying Adam & Steve the tools necessary to obey those commands and then punishing them for Her (the god character) failings.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The New Testament is the explanation of the Old Testament, as understood by true Protestants. You reduce scripture to something inane. Disgusting and blasphemous.,
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But my position can and is supported by what is actually written in Genesis 2&3 Faith and that is a significant difference.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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