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Message 26 of 68 (777230)
01-27-2016 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
01-27-2016 4:31 PM


Re: You don't have to be a Christian to object to the physical explanation of everything
Tangle writes:
Just special enough to think that we're so special that we're not disposable - which we obviously are and we find it difficult to live with that knowledge so we invent all sorts of nonsense to cope.
Jean Paul Sartre~Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.
It is up to you to give life a meaning.
While it is true that we do indeed invent all manner of nonsense to cope. Regardless of ones religious belief or lack thereof; all but the most ardent nihilist can see that there is more to us than the sum of our parts. Nonsense or not we choose the bed of our making. Some are comforted by the thought of heaven and some are comforted in the belief of a life well spent.
It is perhaps the regretful man that must face his twilight looking into the emptiness of his own absurdity and thus comfort himself that none of it really matters.
I myself tend to fluctuate between every one of these depending on my mood.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 27 of 68 (777231)
01-27-2016 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Omnivorous
01-25-2016 7:05 PM


I care
I care what happens next. I care because I think life is beautiful and want it to continue in what ever form it may.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 38 of 68 (777293)
01-28-2016 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Tangle
01-28-2016 3:30 PM


Re: You don't have to be a Christian to object to the physical explanation of everything
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes:
I don't understand this argument. We are the sum of our parts. The fact that one part is consciousness doesn't change that.
Yes I realize that. But when I see something beautiful I do not see just the chemical composition of it. And if in your mind we are nothing more than ape-shaped bags of water you probably didnt get the least bit misty eyed during this scene in Soylent Green.
When I see a tree it is more to me than 50% carbon, 42% oxygen, 6% hydrogen, 1% nitrogen.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 40 of 68 (777296)
01-28-2016 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Tangle
01-28-2016 5:58 PM


Re: You don't have to be a Christian to object to the physical explanation of everything
Tangle writes:
You seems to be saying that because you - and, as it happens, I - find some things beautiful and emotional, that makes any difference to the reality of our existence. Why should it?
I will venture forth a guess ol' chap and say...quality of life"?

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 47 of 68 (777339)
01-29-2016 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Tangle
01-28-2016 6:15 PM


Re: You don't have to be a Christian to object to the physical explanation of everything
Hi Tangle,
I was once dated a very beautiful and intelligent, audiology grad student vegan.
She had a very light complexion with tiny brown freckles on her nose and cheeks, raven black hair cropped in a page boy. Her eyes were green as emeralds and just as cold. And the body? What a body! She was the kind of girl you'd have on your arm and say to yourself: wow look at me with this beauty.
She looked at me as if I was some hedonistic, ignoramus because I ate meat. She asked me why I ate meat and I said because I liked it, that I enjoyed a good steak, thus confirming her thoughts about me.
But I digress; I asked her if my eating steak was in any way different than her wearing leather shoes. Me attempting to point out her hypocrisy. All the conversation got me was her not finding me worth talking to anymore and me spending that Christmas wishing I would of shut the fuck up. Did I mention she was beautiful? So whats the point in this? Our quality of life is, I would hope, a few rungs above a cows. And if one eats the cow or wears the cow it really doesn't matter to the cow. But damn does it matter.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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1.61803
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Message 48 of 68 (777340)
01-29-2016 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by AZPaul3
01-28-2016 6:17 PM


Re: You don't have to be a Christian to object to the physical explanation of everything
Hi AZPaul3,
AZPaul3 writes:
Is that all there is, a dichotomy? Can't I intellectually recognize that this oak tree is composed of star stuff while simultaneously enjoying the aesthetics of its over arching branches?
Yes, absolutely. I do. It is when someone is spouting off nihilist clap trap that "nothing matters, and we are no more important than a amoeba. Usually for the sole purpose of being provocative. You probably run in greater intellectual circles than I.
AZPaul3 writes:
Can I not understand that love is a reaction of specific chemistry and neuronal activity while simultaneously being happy and fulfilled in being bathed in its warmth?
Absolutely, I do.
AZPaul3 writes:
Just because all things are, in fact, the sum of their parts does not preclude recognizing and, more so, appreciating the beauty and wonder of their emergent properties without evoking the absurdity of some supernatural silliness.
Again I agree.
In my opinion after years of EVC discussion on the "supernatural" I have always held that if it happens in the universe then how can it not be natural? Some folks believe that the only worlds that contain God/gods are those that contain creatures that are there to invoke them.
Edited by 1.61803, : added word:"to"

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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1.61803
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Message 68 of 68 (777468)
02-01-2016 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Dr Adequate
01-29-2016 3:25 PM


Dont chastise me for meat when you wear leather
She was right,.....
Say what?!
and you should have considered becoming a vegan if only for her emerald-green eyes,
Yes this is true but eventually I would of been caught in a Texas Road House I fear.
rather than breaking up with her 'cos of her imaginary hypocrisy.
How is being a self professed vegan wearing leather not a exercise in hypocrisy?
Why does someone get to call me out on promoting animal cruelty for eating a steak but I do not get to reciprocate for them wearing leather?
Just because someone ate a cow, that does not make it somehow "ok" to wear its hide. If one is operating under the premise that buying and using animal products contributes to the cruelty of animals.
Now I do realize there are strict vegetarians that do not eat meat and do so for strictly dietary reasons. But this was not the case.
you should have shut the fuck up.
I know, me and my big mouth I spent that Christmas wishing I had done so.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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