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Message 251 of 451 (761309)
06-30-2015 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Phat
06-30-2015 12:08 PM


Re: US Christianity is too often just a Constitutionally protected con
Phat writes:
Even though I already answered this, I'll say that in my belief if there was no God, there would be nothing. God is the Creator.
Yet you have been shown example after example of religions that assigned a creator role to a God that was later found to be non-existent. So how is the God you created any different?

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jar
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Message 253 of 451 (761316)
06-30-2015 2:04 PM
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06-30-2015 1:58 PM


Re: US Christianity is too often just a Constitutionally protected con
Phat writes:
Im still not convinced that I created Him. In my opinion and belief, He created me...and everything...long before we humans even had the capability to create Him.
Yet all of the evidence says otherwise.
Phat writes:
Asa Creedal Christian, how do you reconcile Jesus BEFORE He was made man?
I don't. I can't. I am as clueless about that as everyone else who is not creating gods.

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jar
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Message 255 of 451 (761357)
06-30-2015 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Rocky.C
06-30-2015 2:59 PM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
It's been awhile since we had someone post so much totally irrelevant crap as you have achieved.
Again, it may be interesting what you believe but it also tells us nothing about "What is Christianity?"
It may tell us what YOU think Christianity is but other than that it has no worth or value.
You are not a Trinitarian, we understand that.
You are not a Sunday Sabbath person, we understand that.
But there are also Christians that are Trinitarians and do worship on Sunday so nether a belief or disbelief in the Trinity or the day of worship is of any value in identifying a Christian.
Now, you you have anything of substance, relevance or worth to contribute towards identifying "What is Christianity?"

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Message 313 of 451 (776506)
01-14-2016 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by John 10:10
01-14-2016 3:04 PM


Re: Is Christianity the one and only true religion?
As if there even was something like "Christianity". Since there is no universal version of Christianity then the question itself was simply silly.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 322 of 451 (779593)
03-06-2016 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by Phat
03-06-2016 2:21 AM


Re: The Hills Are Alive
Phat writes:
jar writes:
So what does Jesus is alive mean?
It means that the strength and the character of our leader--being stronger than anything we ourselves can emulate--saves us from failure. Jesus is alive because we allow Him to be alive in us. (if nothing else) Do you see where I am coming from?
Just more word salad and in fact evidence Jesus is not alive.
What you are saying is that Jesus is a figure in your imagination and exists only to serve you.

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jar
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Message 324 of 451 (779606)
03-06-2016 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by NoNukes
03-06-2016 11:24 AM


Re: The Hills Are Alive
NoNukes writes:
I am confused here. You don't believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus or in his ascending to heaven? In the divinity of Jesus? Isn't Jesus alive in the same sense that you are?
While that might be a mainstream position it really never made much sense to me. Jesus alive and pre-death makes sense but Jesus resurrected and yet alive gets fuzzy and Jesus alive post ascension just gets totally weird.
To say God or Jesus are alive in the same sense I am alive is where I have a problem. Do they have to take a shit regularly, eat to continue living, breath air, get hungry, need sleep? If God stops eating will God die? Does God get old? Will God die in the same sense I will die?

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jar
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Message 332 of 451 (779661)
03-06-2016 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Bob Bobber
03-06-2016 9:35 PM


Bob Bobber writes:
As long as Jesus lay in the tomb, he was just another tragic religious figure who suffered a martyr’s death. 
In fact, Paul tells us that the resurrection is the greatest display of God’s power ever to be demonstrated, nor can it ever be surpassed.
Except of course for the fact that resurrection was not at all uncommon in the Bible stories. Happened again and again to quite a few folk. There was nothing really unusual or unique about Jesus resurrection.

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jar
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Message 335 of 451 (779665)
03-06-2016 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Bob Bobber
03-06-2016 10:07 PM


Yes, Paul used that as part of his marketing spiel yet never offered any support or evidence. It, like so many of Paul's marketing slogans simply does not stand up to examination.

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jar
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Message 337 of 451 (779667)
03-06-2016 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by GDR
03-06-2016 10:13 PM


GDR writes:
Again you confuse resurrection with resuscitation. Sure there are stories that people were brought back to life but not in a new physicality and without their death being put off permanently. The resurrection of Jesus was seen as a foretaste of the resurrection of the cosmos at the end of time.
No, I do not confuse the two.
GDR writes:
The whole NT is made up of people trying to understand just what it was that God had to say and what He was doing by resurrecting Jesus.
If so, it seems an enormous waste of time and energy. How is Jesus resurrection any different than any of the other resurrections in the Bible stories?
GDR writes:
Sure you don't have to believe in the resurrection but if you are right the whole NT isn't worth any more than the writings about Mahattma Gandhi. It also means that Jesus was highly delusional and I would see no reason to follow someone like that.
That is almost true, but I would have used the writings of the Buddha instead. And no, it does not mean Jesus was delusional although it's very likely some of those recording the tales were.
It means that considering Jesus death as the sacrifice is in error. If though you consider Jesus life the sacrifice all fits together and does not make God look stupid.
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jar
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Message 338 of 451 (779668)
03-06-2016 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by Bob Bobber
03-06-2016 10:19 PM


But who took your sin debt? Jesus Christ! Who paid it? Jesus Christ! How much of it did he pay? All of it before you were ever born! Reconciliation has to do with sin debt.
Yawn.
Thank God no one took my sin debt.

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jar
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Message 340 of 451 (779670)
03-06-2016 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Bob Bobber
03-06-2016 10:23 PM


Yes, that is certainly one of the brands of Christianity that is marketed, the FUD branch and Kiss Hanks Ass branch.
It is that God not the only branch of Christianity.
It is a branch that markets an evil, despicable God that should be opposed by any moral creature.

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jar
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Message 348 of 451 (779697)
03-07-2016 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 341 by Bob Bobber
03-06-2016 10:41 PM


Sorry but that is just a codswallop of word salad with no value or meaning.

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jar
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Message 349 of 451 (779698)
03-07-2016 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Bob Bobber
03-07-2016 12:10 AM


Of course Paul was about starting a new religion, HIS religion. Paul was making and developing and marketing a franchise.
But the thread, the topic, is about What is Christianity? It's not about what was Christianity, but rather about what is Christianity and so far the obvious answer is that it is many totally different sales pitches with almost noting in common except the Franchise name. The menus are different, prices different, nutritional value different.
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jar
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Message 350 of 451 (779699)
03-07-2016 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Phat
03-07-2016 2:35 AM


Re: The Hills Are Alive
Phat writes:
The only thing that Jesus ever did that served me was His death, burial, and resurrection. My original point was that cultural heroes are in our collective imagination--though in the case of Jesus, He may well have imagined all of us long before we were even capable of imagining Him.
The first sentence is pitiful and sad and makes Jesus life and teachings worthless. The rest of that is just nonsense word salad. There was no point in Jesus living for thirty plus years or teaching for three years or value in anything he taught it seems.
Phat writes:
You disagree with me on several points. I believe that humanity is incapable of success on our own. You believe that we are charged to try and do our best and not to expect God to bail us out.
Stop and read what you write. Even if we are incapable of success on our own are we not still expected and charged to try and do our best regardless of whether God bails us out?
Phat writes:
You have stated before that Jesus was a failed Messiah. I would argue that this is a Jewish viewpoint and largely not part of the Christian mythos.
That is certainly part of the current marketing spiel but has Jesus returned? Does Jesus rule all? The the Second Coming happen and no one got the memo?
Sorry but even under the Christian redefinition of Messiah Jesus is still a failed Messiah.
Phat writes:
I am agreeing for the sake of argument that the Jesus character is a part of all of our imaginations---but I would add that i believe He is alive apart from needing human expression to sustain a cultural legend.
What does that mean? If Jesus is imaginary then how is Jesus alive?
What do you mean?
There is no doubt that you represent one of the many different religions that today call themselves "Christian" but the question still remains; "What is Christianity?"

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jar
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Message 355 of 451 (779742)
03-07-2016 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
03-07-2016 4:03 PM


Re: What IS Christianity? Its What WE choose it to be.
Phat writes:
I would argue that you have chosen to believe this, and have been taught and convinced that YOU have to be your own messiah.
You can argue any fool thing you want but that still has nothing to do with the point made and is, quite frankly, a bunch of crap.
Even under the Christian redefinition of Messiah Jesus is still a failed Messiah.
Phat writes:
The primary difference is that Jesus willingly gave up His life. It was not snatched from Him. For many Christians, the resurrection was an action shared by all who accept it. Its a fresh start. Its a general atonement for everyone. Mind you, i'm not disagreeing with your emphasis on personal responsibility.
Bullshit and certainly not supported by the Bible stories. Jesus was arrested, tried, sentenced and executed and had no more choice in the matter than the other two criminals executed that day. He was just 32 years old. He did not succeed in a lifetime of teaching like the Buddha.

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