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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Please explain how that has anything at all to do with whether time exists there? Please stop asking questions that have already been answered. For the third time, we have measured the decay rate of 56Ni in SN1987A and it happens at exactly the same rate it does here. Therefore time exists there as here. Yet again, see SN 1987A. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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starlite Member (Idle past 2943 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
You think you know a lot and say so. Your posts bewry you though.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I am asking you to stop with the bare assertions that there is time there as we know it. You are doing what's called "projecting"; assuming that others behave as you do. You have provided many many bare assertions and no evidence. I have provided evidence and references and explanations.
As I pointed out that is the sole basis for the distances and the sizes and etc etc etc. No, you made bare assertions that tine is "the sole basis for the distances and the sizes and etc etc etc." You have provided no evidence or analysis or argumentation to support those bare assertions. At this point it's pretty certain that you can't. Can you prove me wrong about that? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You think you know a lot and say so. Your posts bewry you though. Gee, it's funny that you can't come up with any meaningful responses. Ain't that a hoot? Can you explain why my posts are incorrect or betray ignorance? Dollars to donuts you won't be able to when you return. (bewry??)
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
JonF, dont pour gasoline on the fire.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
bewry == one of the popular kiddie memes, supposedly an early English form of betray but mostly found in video gaming and kiddie chat rooms.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2161 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined:
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JonF writes:
In addition, this 56Ni decay occurred inside a star, at tremendous temperatures and pressures. Yet this did not noticeably affect the decay rate. Please stop asking questions that have already been answered. For the third time, we have measured the decay rate of 56Ni in SN1987A and it happens at exactly the same rate it does here. Therefore time exists there as here. Yet again, see SN 1987A.
This is significant; it provides an answer to YEC claims that radioactive decay rates changed in the past due to environmental factors. If they don't change inside a star, why would they change under the waters of a global flood?"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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You confirm you do not understand how the measure is taken and what it is comprised of. If any other poster wants to know we can discuss that. You have shown yourself to be boringly closed minded. Amazing. What Jon has described is exactly how the measurement was done. The method that you describe, which uses parallax based on the size of the earth's orbit is essentially useless for measuring distances to objects beyond about 400 light years away. SN1987a is more than 400 times as far away as that. Why don't you consult one of the many sources that describes the astrophysics involved? Here is a link to one such description: Page Not Found | Department of Chemistry
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Dollars to donuts you won't be able to when you return.
Dollars to donuts he's too young to even understand "dollars to donuts".
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Dollars to donuts he's too young to even understand "dollars to donuts". I don't think that his youth is the problem.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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JonF asking Starlite to show how he is wrong is very on topic. That is how a discussion forum works. Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable, but people spouting shit need to be exposed as spouting shit.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: You have a point, but I was trying to allow starlite a chance to humble himself, grow up, and hang with us for awhile rather than pulling a driveby hit & run and act as if he knows more than we do. JonF asking Starlite to show how he is wrong is very on topic. That is how a discussion forum works. Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable, but people spouting shit need to be exposed as spouting shit. thats all Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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But he is going to do that anyway. Starlite has no desire to discuss and grow. I don't care if he "humbles". That is just one of those religious words that actually mean nothing.
Asking JonF to alter his posts because starlite is the issue is not the solution.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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There's very simple evidence that time exists in the distant universe. If you look at distant stars, wait a while, then look at them again, they will have changed. Hence they change state, so time must pass for them in order for these changes to occur.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Son Goku writes: Thanks for stepping in and clearing that up. You are one of my favorite Science Posters. Steering this topic back on topic:
There's very simple evidence that time exists in the distant universe. If you look at distant stars, wait a while, then look at them again, they will have changed. Hence they change state, so time must pass for them in order for these changes to occur.quote:Sounds logical from a Science perspective. For anyone interested in what everyone had to say over the last 13 years, feel free to scroll through the topic and read all of the answers (and non answers) that fueled this original discussion. Otherwise simply state your opinion from this synopsis of how the topic author--no longer active by the way--felt. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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