This Bathroom Law Confusion

My argument on this thread is that you should use the restroom you feel you fit into best, which in this case would allow the transgender person to use the women's room. I think the laws requiring you be biologically qualified are missing the reality of the situation. Yes some biological men/psychological women are not going to pass easily but they are not really men in the sense the woman was objecting to and that guy is not going to be safe in the men's room. I understand her feelings. I hated it when in rehab they brought in a man, a normal man, not a transgender, to use the toilet in the bathroom where I was taking a shower. I consider THAT to be an outrage, but transgenders in a regular public restroom are a completely different situation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

At least I found out one thing from your videos: it IS men posing as transgender to get at little girls that they are worried about. I'm not clear about other objections.Sorry my opinion is too little too late. Best I could do for you.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Instead of mandating that this replace all current public facilities, how about if just one or two were mandated to be added to the existing facilities, say carved out between the men's and the women's, for anyone who doesn't want to be subjected to the public situation for whatever reason. One would probably be enough in many places, two or three where traffic is higher.

I guess I could take the most politically incorrect position and argue that there should be laws against cross-dressing in public. If you can't dress like the opposite biological sex then you also could use the restroom of your biological sex and there would be no problem. Nobody would be freaked out, worried about molesters posing as women, objecting to biological men in women's dress in the women's room and so on and so forth.Problem solved.

I haven't said anything about losing any rights. If you've read my posts you should see that I don't object to making accommodations to transgender people because I don't see any problem to come from doing that. I really have no idea why you've been in such a snit. (I did stop reading through all your posts because of that) But I'm also responding to those who do feel there is a problem. I think it's mostly not recognizing the actuality that's involved, but it's such a strongly held position I also wonder if I'm missing something. I may very well be. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I think mixing the sexes in bathrooms is barbaric. Families don't allow that. Sisters together, brothers together but not the two sexes together.

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Jar, this is something that I believe all cultures have recognized forever, but if not certainly the western cultures. You shouldn't have to raise such a question.Stalls provide some privacy but the walls are not all that sturdy and usually allow visibility under and over to anyone caring to check it out. But perhaps the co-ed version provides more privacy? If so, why not have separate bathrooms as usual since privacy clearly matters.Are there urinals in this co-ed bathroom? If not, that says something about why we don't mix the sexes in itself. Privacy IS important, why push the envelope?In the women's restroom in the dorm when I was at university women stood at the sinks bare from the waist up and washed themselves. Are they going to do that in a co-ed bathroom? If not, doesn't that also say something about why we don't mix the sexes?Are there showers in this bathroom? In the one I mentioned the partitions, again, like the usual toilet stalls, didn't provide privacy to the extent of keeping someone from checking out the neighboring shower if desired, and there were no doors on them, just a thin curtain. If there is more privacy than that in the co-ed situation, again that says something about the need for privacy and why not have the traditional separate bathrooms in that case?What is accomplished by forcing the sexes to be together if you have to make an effort to keep them apart even in that situation, and if no effort is made, is it really the case that you can watch someone else shower, women wash themselves at the sinks in the view of everybody, urinals are used in the view of everybody? If so, do you see no problem with that? If not, if privacy about these things matters, why not just have the usual separate bathrooms where privacy is easier to protect?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If you have to require no peeking in any case WHY HAVE CO-ED BATHROOMS AT ALL? Obviously it is recognized that privacy is desired.As I said the women were BARE from the waist up, that's how you wash yourself, you don't wash yourself with clothes on. And that's OK with you? Good grief. Let me off this planet.

The point is that they CAN'T wash at the sinks as they did in my dorm because there IS no privacy. PRIVACY MATTERS.

Fine, big deal, it doesn't change the point I'm making. But I might ask why nobody cares about pee getting on the co-ed seats.OR, come to think of it, the perennial problem women complain about of the seat being left up. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I guess you're determined to give me a headache with your irrelevant comparisons. We are talking about STRANGERS in a unisex bathroom. There are no guarantees of anything like good behavior at home -- and even in some cases at home lots of problems of the sort mentioned exist anyway. I think I've made many good points about why a unisex public restroom is unnecessary and ridiculous. If we were a third world country and couldn't afford two facilities there might be an argument. But even there they don't put the women together with the men to share the hole in the floor.

Do you feel the same way about a university dorm co-ed bathroom?

I agree about the women. Even an all-women's dorm bathroom requires putting down protective paper on the toilet seat. But putting men and women strangers together with their different habits and needs, just seems so utterly crackpot to me I can hardly imagine there is a university where they do that, as Stile reported. Just more Leftist "progressive" egalitarian idio-cy if you don't mind my saying so.

I'm not talking particularly about "bad" people, mostly about privacy and the different needs of the two sexes, and let me add the different sexual interests and curiosity of the sexes fer cryin out loud. You don't have to be "bad" to want to peek at the beautiful body that just went into the shower stall next to yours..And when you talk about both sexes in families sharing the bathroom I don't think you mean at the same time do you?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.