This Bathroom Law Confusion

It's election and fund raising time so any way that a pot can be stirred is the right thing to do. What, got no issues? Make one up.

But what you call pro-LGBT laws are laws that only PROtect LGBT folk from discrimination; laws that say you can't refuse service or fire someone simply for being LBGT.

Two subjects, the LBGT laws related to bathrooms and the other subject the earlier LBGT laws related to protection.

There is lots more to it than just which bathroom to use. For example the issue of refusing services based on things like LBGT. In Tennessee there is a law that passed in the House and is now going to the Senate (that passed a similar earlier) that specifically allows Therapists to refuse treatment and counseling to gays. There is a similar situation in Mississippi. Florida is also pushing through similar legislation.This attack on LBGT citizens is wide spread and pernicious.AbE: Here is a pretty good summary of just how wide-spread the anti LBGT legislation effort is.Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : see AbE.Edited by jar, : fix link

That would depend on the family, would it not?In addition the example you are responding to pointed out that there were individual stalls in the bathroom in question.What possible objections could there be in that situation? How is that different than men and women both using the same halls or drinking fountain or mirror?

But it might help us understand what it is that bothers you and maybe even others. If you never explain what it is that is the issue then how can you ever expect to convince anyone your position has merit?The comparison I presented seems very apt.In the bathroom being discussed the toilets are in individual stalls and so private.How is a mirror on the wall in a bathroom different than a mirror on the wall in a hall?How is a faucet in the bathroom different than a faucet out back or a water fountain in the hall?How is walking in a hall different than walking in the public areas of the bathroom in question?

I see no problems there. If someone is washing at a sink naked then I say it's fine to watch them wash at the sink naked. Get serious.If they (as is usually the case when washing at a sink) are clothed then no big deal.If there is a way to peak under or over a stall to see who is next door I see no difference whether it is a same or different sex peeker. A pecker-peeker is little different than a non-pecker-peeker.If there are shower curtains then there is privacy. Any objection would be the same as above.Sorry Faith but no, I do not see the problem.Also, having grown up in a house with a passel of kids if you were in the shower and someone of either sex really, really, really needed to go all that was needed was a verbal admonishment not to peek.

Yup, I have absolutely no problem with that.If women are bare from the waist up washing at a sink in a multi-use bathroom then they have no expectation of privacy.Men seldom wash at a sink bare from the waist up except in TV commercials.

But the LBGT issue is not about obvious males or obvious females. If a person wearing a dress aqnd heels (but not a kilt) came into a male washroom then I could see some issue. But that is NOT what is being discussed. The person who has transitioned from male to female or who dresses as a female appears to be a female.If a woman saw an obvious male in a bathroom then there would be reason to file a complaint or at least feel uncomfortable.BUT there is no law saying you should not be made to feel uncomfortable.

Medical condition and problem are not the same. Why would a homosexual want a cure. Why would a transgender what to be cured?

No, it doesn't occur. You gotta stop just believing folk making unsupported claims. It's not the situation you are trying to address because it simply doesn't happen.

Maybe Ambisextrous?

I'm not sure I'd call it a liberal view but rather a practical view. In real life who could really determine the answer to that question but the person involved?If I was using a public bathroom and some other guy walked in and went into a stall would I even notice? If it was a person dressed as a man why would I even notice?Would not the same hold true if it was a person dressed as a woman walking to a Female bathroom and using a stall?