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Tangle
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Message 13 of 42 (785037)
05-27-2016 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
05-27-2016 12:25 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
ringo writes:
How do you tell the difference?
Look for the power cord.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 16 of 42 (785043)
05-27-2016 12:50 PM
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05-27-2016 12:45 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Look for the power supply.
[sigh]
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 19 of 42 (785050)
05-27-2016 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
05-27-2016 12:53 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
[deep sigh]
How far do you want to go with this?
Ultimately I'm going to say if it's soft, squidgy, wet and messy inside and tries to bite you when you open its lid, it's natural. Everything else is artificial so we know.
That definition will work for the remainder of my natural life. After that, it's going to get properly difficult.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 22 of 42 (785058)
05-27-2016 1:28 PM
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05-27-2016 1:19 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
ringo writes:
That's exactly the point. We're not talking about "natural" or "artificial".
Yes we are. If we didn't care whether there was a difference between ourselves (natural) and something that we make (artificial), we wouldn't be having the conversation.
We're talking about consciousness, awareness, responsiveness, sentience. Is there any way to tell "natural" consciousness from "artificial" consciousness?
Yes. We look inside the box.
What do "natural" and "artificial" even mean in the context of consciousness?"
No one knows. No one even knows what consciousness is. Next question.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 26 of 42 (785073)
05-27-2016 2:33 PM
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05-27-2016 1:54 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
x writes:
Ah, I see. So you are planning on getting "vastened", as described in Frederik Pohl's Heechee Saga books.
Not consciously.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 33 of 42 (785165)
05-28-2016 12:20 PM
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05-28-2016 12:03 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
ringo writes:
Vivisection isn't always an option. How do you tell whether the "entity" at the other end of the Internet is human or machine?
If we care, we go have a look. If we don't.....
The better question is not whether we can tell the difference it's whether it matters if we can't.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 37 of 42 (785171)
05-28-2016 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by ringo
05-28-2016 12:23 PM


Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
ringo writes:
So if you don't show up on my doorstep, I can assume you don't care.
Correct.
That's just a philosophical question. I don't care about philosophy.
It's a highly practical problem. At some time in the nearish future machines will be in charge of our cars and a little after that it'll be our healthcare and eventually our judicial systems. It's going to matter to our descendants whether their helpmates are conscious and sentient and what form that consciousness might take.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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