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Topic: Is Watson conscious?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 7 of 42 (785029)
05-27-2016 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by NoNukes
05-27-2016 11:12 AM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
NoNukes writes: Is seems the operative word here?
Alan Turing's question was, "Are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in the imitation game?" What is there besides what seems to be?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 11 of 42 (785035)
05-27-2016 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by NoNukes
05-27-2016 12:13 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
NoNukes writes: Illusion is reality then?
How do you tell the difference?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 15 of 42 (785040)
05-27-2016 12:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Tangle
05-27-2016 12:40 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: Look for the power cord.
Alessandro Volta made that plan obsolete before power cords were even invented.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 17 of 42 (785046)
05-27-2016 12:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Tangle
05-27-2016 12:50 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: Look for the power supply.
We all have a power supply. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 20 of 42 (785054)
05-27-2016 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Tangle
05-27-2016 1:10 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: How far do you want to go with this?
That's exactly the point. We're not talking about "natural" or "artificial". We're talking about consciousness, awareness, responsiveness, sentience. Is there any way to tell "natural" consciousness from "artificial" consciousness? What do "natural" and "artificial" even mean in the context of consciousness?"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 32 of 42 (785163)
05-28-2016 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Tangle
05-27-2016 1:28 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: If we didn't care whether there was a difference between ourselves (natural) and something that we make (artificial), we wouldn't be having the conversation.
It isn't about "caring" whether there's a difference. It's about ways and means of determining what the difference is, if any.
Tangle writes: We look inside the box.
Vivisection isn't always an option. How do you tell whether the "entity" at the other end of the Internet is human or machine?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 34 of 42 (785167)
05-28-2016 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Tangle
05-28-2016 12:20 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: If we care, we go have a look.
So if you don't show up on my doorstep, I can assume you don't care.
Tangle writes: The better question is not whether we can tell the difference it's whether it matters if we can't.
That's just a philosophical question. I don't care about philosophy.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 36 of 42 (785170)
05-28-2016 12:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Modulous
05-28-2016 12:36 PM
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Re: for the love of knowledge!
Modulous writes: You can't come into a philosophy discussion, philosophize, and then dismiss philosophizing of others as being philosophy.
I don't consider it philosophizing any more than I consider measuring a two-by-four philosophizing. I'm looking for concrete answers.
Modulous writes: You run the danger of dividing the universe by zero or something, its very dangerous.
I don't mind rushing in where angels fear to tread. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 39 of 42 (785173)
05-28-2016 1:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Tangle
05-28-2016 1:04 PM
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Re: Watson seems very close to conscious if not sentient.
Tangle writes: At some time in the nearish future machines will be in charge of our cars....
Today we have cars identified as "Student Driver". I guess in the nearish future we'll have to have cars identified as "Human Driver" so the other human drivers know to watch for erratic behaviour. (During the transition period in which there are both human drivers and AI drivers, the AIs will have to be more capable of adjusting to erratic behaviour. When all drivers are AI, the AI can be much simpler.)
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 40 of 42 (785174)
05-28-2016 1:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Modulous
05-28-2016 1:09 PM
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Re: for the love of knowledge!
Modulous writes: Until we have a full scientific theory of consciousness, we can only figure out the questions we should be asking and what the answers should look like.
And what better way to get a full scientific theory of consciousness than by building a conscious entity?
Modulous writes: The problem is that you are looking at the line between the objective and the subjective.
I'm looking at the difference between analysis and synthesis.
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