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Archangel
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Message 1 of 47 (786861)
06-26-2016 5:50 AM


If God had to wipe out humanity because of the stain of sin and start over with a more pure version through Noah's bloodline, my question is what was the corruption infecting humanity that made this cleansing necessary and why did it have to include the destruction of all animal life except 2 creatures of each type that God chose and guided to be saved on the Arc?
Is there any information regarding Gods reasoning in this area either in the bible or in any other holy writings by the Old Testament Patriarchs? In other words, does anybody grasp the full reasoning behind Gods plan for the great flood as it played out in the real world?

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 2 of 47 (786862)
06-28-2016 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Archangel
06-26-2016 5:50 AM


Has this forum died?
I posted this debate question early Sunday morning and here it is mid afternoon Tuesday
Yet no one has responded in any way to it. Nor have any moderators moved it to the appropriate thread. Is there nobody left to offer intelligent debate here?

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 6 of 47 (786873)
06-28-2016 6:02 PM


For the better part of my 41 years as a believer in Christ and a student of Gods Word I too accepted that the death of all animals in the Great Flood was just a matter of necessity.
But it always bothered me because I have seen in Gods character that He loves all creatures great and small. See Matthew 6:26 for example, Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
And consider Psalm 147:9 which says,
He gives to the beast its food, And to the young ravens which cry.
So there is much evidence that God loves and values the animal kingdom which some believe is formed and fashioned after the hosts of angels which inhabit Heaven. In other words, just imagine a Heaven full of intelligent and sentient angelic beings which resemble the animals we share this great earth with fulfilling the words of the great prayer which say’s On Earth as it is in Heaven.
So, why was the great flood necessary? What so infected the bloodline of humanity that God had to destroy all human life and start over again? I believe the answer though it be limited in the information it offers is found in the Book of Genesis;
The Nephilim (plural) are the offspring of the sons of God or "Fallen Angels and the daughters of men" in Genesis 6:4, or giants who inhabit Canaan in Numbers 13:33.
With this given as a justification for having to destroy humanity and start over with a pure uninfected bloodline which Noah and his family offered, in my studies I discovered the Ancient Book of Enoch, the 7th descendent from Adam and one who walked with Adam. He was the Father of Methuselah and was such a Holy Man that it is written that God took him or translated him alive to Heaven.
I’m going to copy and paste chapters 6 & 7 of the Book of Enoch which I believe answers this question regarding why the animals had to also die in the Great Flood of Noah. You see, just as Mans bloodline/genetic DNA was corrupted because Fallen Angels mixed with Human Women so did Fallen Angels also corrupt animals in order to create giants also so as not to deplete the animal kingdom due to the ravenous appetites of these Nephelim.
CHAPTER VI.
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjz, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered
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him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Smazz, their leader, Arkba, Rml, Kkabl, Tml, Rml, Dnl, zql, Barqjl, Asl, Armrs, Batrl, Annl, Zaql, Samspl, Satarl, Trl, Jmjl, Saril. 8. These are their chiefs of tens.
CHAPTER VII.
1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. "5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood." 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
It is verse 5 specifically that theologians believe implies that by sinning against Birds, Beasts, Reptiles and Fish that fallen angels corrupted their genetic code and caused them to also become giants rather than the way Yahweh created them originally. This is why the animal kingdom had to also be destroyed along with Man in the great Flood of Noah.
One more interesting point that can be gleaned from these two chapters is the origin of the knowledge man gained regarding herbal medicines from plants and all of the other knowledge gained from these demons from hell. They corrupted humanity by giving knowledge we had no right to at such an early stage of civilization.

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 8 of 47 (786875)
06-28-2016 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tangle
06-28-2016 5:19 PM


I sigh everytime I read a spiritually shallow post like this that reveals how utterly vacuous your world view is. It breaks my heart that seemingly intelligent people can be so spiritually barren that they are incapable of recognizing that we are also spiritual beings.
I can absolutely promise you and every other secular humanist that upon the very first second after you physically die you will immediately realize that you completely missed the boat in life where the truth of why you existed was concerned. And at that very same second you will understand that you spent a wasted life ignoring, mocking and blaspheming the living God who lovingly created you in His image.
My prayer for you is that you will humbly open your heart and ask God that if He is there to please reveal Himself to you and remain open and patient that He will. Ask in Jesus Holy name. Amen...

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 19 of 47 (786887)
06-28-2016 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Tangle
06-28-2016 6:38 PM


Tangle Wrote
Concentrate. We're talking about a global flood about 4,000 years ago. That’s a matter of fact and evidence -
Tell me Tangle, what evidence do you have that the global flood occurred around 4,000 years ago? Please produce it before stating that it’s a matter of fact and evidence.
Also, it is obvious you haven’t read my post regarding chapters 6 and 7 from the book of Enoch; or you are unaware that the book of Enoch isn’t found in the Old or New Testament but is a stand alone ancient manuscript that was never accepted as part of the inspired canonical bible.
It is respected and taken seriously because of who Enoch was as a Patriarch.

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 22 of 47 (786893)
06-29-2016 12:23 AM


You history deniers and naysayers always insist that THE EVIDENCE PROVES THE GREAT FLOOD NEVER OCCURRED. But you never provide the evidence for your fallacious conclusion. The fact is that valid science is NOT so quick to reject Noah’s flood. Check these links out.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=we...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=we...
And from the second link:
Now Ballard is using even more advanced robotic technology to travel farther back in time. He is on a marine archeological mission that might support the story of Noah. He said some 12,000 years ago, much of the world was covered in ice.
"Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big ice cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about the floods of our living history."
The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.
"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.
"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."
Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.
We can look at various parts of the world and see evidence of cataclysmic flooding having occurred long ago. I look at the Grand Canyon and can imagine it being carved from mountains of torrential water. I’m just saying, he who assumes he has all the answers is usually proven wrong.
The fact is that anything that doesn’t fit into your shallow and limited world view is dismissed out of hand as fiction and myth. And rather than attempting to understand these mysteries you just run away from them like scared children who must cling to the fraudulent cult of evolution as if it was a valid religion.
Check out these images of ancient megalithic structures found underwater all over the world.
ancient megalithic underwater structures - Google Search
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If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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Archangel
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Message 39 of 47 (786959)
06-29-2016 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by kbertsche
06-29-2016 8:42 PM


Hi kbertsche,
Check out my post # 6 for info I posted from the ancient book of Enoch which speaks directly to the Nephilim and suggests tha animals were corrupted genetically in order to create Giant animals to feed the Nephilim which had ravenous appetites.

If the rabble continues to occupy itself with you, then simply don’t read that hogwash, but rather leave it to the reptile for whom it has been fabricated.
Albert Einstein

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