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Author Topic:   Question: Why did animals have to die in the great flood?
Dr Adequate
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Message 4 of 47 (786867)
06-28-2016 3:41 PM
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06-26-2016 5:50 AM


Well it seems to me that an orthodox Christian answer to the question about the animals would be that they were simply collateral damage. Once God had decided to kill all the humans with a global flood, naturally the flood was going to kill all the animals too. "But," (you might ask) "what did they do to deserve it?" Nothing, of course, they were simply in the way. But it is clear from the Bible that animal rights is not at all one of God's concerns. From an OT perspective you might as well ask what the trees and the rocks did to deserve submersion.

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Message 15 of 47 (786882)
06-28-2016 7:22 PM
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06-28-2016 6:02 PM


But it always bothered me because I have seen in Gods character that He loves all creatures great and small. See Matthew 6:26 for example, Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
And consider Psalm 147:9 which says,
He gives to the beast its food, And to the young ravens which cry.
So there is much evidence that God loves and values the animal kingdom ...
Well, farmers feed their animals too, it's not necessarily out of love.
The furthest we could go on that basis is that God wants the "birds of the air" and "the young raven" and so forth to exist. This would also explain why he had specimens saved from the Flood.
Now there are verses in the Bible that tell people to be kind to animals, and make it out to be a virtue ( Proverbs 12:10, Exodus 23:5, Deuteronomy 25:4, Exodus 23:12-13) but then again there are verses in the Bible instructing us not to kill. It seems evident that God is not bound by the morality he enjoins on others.
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A similar question could be asked about the Fall. Most creationists will tell you that there was no death (and hence no carnivory) before the Fall. The justice of punishing the animal kingdom for Adam's sin may seem questionable to us, and yet it is widely believed that this was the case.

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Message 16 of 47 (786884)
06-28-2016 8:10 PM
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06-28-2016 6:29 PM


I can absolutely promise you and every other secular humanist that upon the very first second after you physically die you will immediately realize that you completely missed the boat in life where the truth of why you existed was concerned. And at that very same second you will understand that you spent a wasted life ignoring, mocking and blaspheming the living God who lovingly created you in His image.
Sounds like Allah is gonna be mad at you and Tangle.

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Message 24 of 47 (786897)
06-29-2016 1:45 AM
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06-29-2016 12:23 AM


We can look at various parts of the world and see evidence of cataclysmic flooding having occurred long ago.
What we cannot find is evidence of a global flood.
I look at the Grand Canyon and can imagine it being carved from mountains of torrential water.
Also you can look at the moon and imagine that it's made of cheese.
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Maybe you'd better just stick with the theology.

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Message 28 of 47 (786914)
06-29-2016 12:02 PM
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06-26-2016 5:50 AM


If God had to wipe out humanity because of the stain of sin and start over with a more pure version through Noah's bloodline, my question is what was the corruption infecting humanity that made this cleansing necessary ...
Well, the Bible says "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence." Obviously the best cure for violence is genocide. Killing everyone doesn't just solve the problem, it sets such a good example.

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