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Author Topic:   Can fundamentalists explain Job 26:12-13 for me?
Faith 
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Message 56 of 114 (787349)
07-10-2016 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by LamarkNewAge
07-10-2016 5:22 PM


Re: Phat asked about "Zoroastrianism to any degree" in peoples beliefs.
Remember that even fundamentalists admit that Jews didn't believe in resurrection.
If "fundamentalist" means uncompromising Bible believer, I don't know any fundamentalists who deny the many references in the New Testament to the Pharisees' belief in the resurrection, as opposed to the Sadducees who denied it, both of them Jewish sects.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 58 of 114 (787375)
07-11-2016 6:49 PM
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07-11-2016 11:53 AM


Re: Phat asked about "Zoroastrianism to any degree" in peoples beliefs.
The Bible is the record followed by "fundamentalists" and there is no deviation from the idea of the resurrection there, which was shared by the Pharisees and not the Sadducees.

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Message 60 of 114 (787377)
07-11-2016 7:49 PM
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07-11-2016 7:09 PM


Re: Phat asked about "Zoroastrianism to any degree" in peoples beliefs.
It was also not mentioned until Revelation that the true identity of the serpent in Eden was Satan, but of course he was Satan even if that wasn't mentioned in Genesis. When a concept appears in scripture has nothing to do with some supposed progression of ideas. There is "progressive revelation" but that's about when God chooses to reveal something, not about when the idea originated. That's not how scripture is understood by us fundamentalists at least. The Sadducees simply have no authoritative standing in scripture.

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Message 62 of 114 (787379)
07-11-2016 8:43 PM
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07-11-2016 8:16 PM


Re: Phat asked about "Zoroastrianism to any degree" in peoples beliefs.
I go by today's KJV which doesn't include Tobit, so the first mention of Satan in the garden is the Book of Revelation. If it's mentioned in Tobit, fine, I have no objection and don't see why it matters one way or the other, it's still later than Genesis and makes the same point that when a fact is revealed has nothing to do with the extrabiblical idea of its supposed origin as a concept.
And you are wrong that Satan is not in the OT: I searched "Satan" at Blue Letter Bible and got:
1 Ch 21:1
Job 1:6-7, 12, 2:1-4, 6-7
Psalm 109:6
Zec 3:1-2

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Message 66 of 114 (787403)
07-12-2016 1:13 PM
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07-12-2016 12:56 PM


Re: Phat asked about "Zoroastrianism to any degree" in peoples beliefs.
Adversary means Satan; that's why it's translated "Satan." What "adversary" could make David number the people other than an evil spiritual adversary? That's Satan.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 68 of 114 (787416)
07-12-2016 8:28 PM
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07-12-2016 2:34 PM


Re: The census of David raises interesting questions.
You keep making points that have nothing to do with what "fundamentalists" believe. Jewish interpretations are very rarely in accord with Christian readings of the Bible for one thing. It takes the perspective of the New Testament to understand the Old, so the Jews often misread the Hebrew scriptures. As for who influenced David to do the census, Satan can't act on His own, God always has to will it, or "allow" it. Nothing new to a Christian there. You really aren't saying anything useful about these things.

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