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Author Topic:   Can fundamentalists explain Job 26:12-13 for me?
ICANT
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Message 42 of 114 (787291)
07-09-2016 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by LamarkNewAge
07-07-2016 11:26 AM


Re: quote mining is really unproductive.
Hi LNA
LNA writes:
Job 26
12
By his power he stilled the Sea;
by his understanding he struck down Rahab.
Where do you get Rahab from?
I am a fundamentalists and the first thing you have to do is know what the original text says to understand it. Or you have to use a good translation.
What you are quoting is not a translation of רהב it is supposed to be a transliteration but they used the Masoretic text which has vowels and the original did not have vowels.
A true transliteration would be Rhb.
רהב means: 1.pride, blusterer.
Most of the garbage you have written has absolutely nothing to do with your OP.
You asked for a fundamentalist to explain Job 26:12-13.
Job is answering Bildad the Shuhite in chapter 26 and asking him questions.
Job writes:
26:12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
He divideth the sea has reference to the single land mass that appeared in Genesis 1:9 when God gathered the water to one place.
He divided that land mass in the days of Peleg.
Which divided the one sea.
Moses writes:
10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
In the last half of the verse Job is deriding Bildad about his pride.
In verse 13 the crooked ברח meaning 1.fleeing נחש serpent meaning 1.serpent, snake.
I hope that explanation satisfies you and if it don't you are free to believe anything your mind can imagine it says.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 44 of 114 (787293)
07-09-2016 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by NoNukes
07-08-2016 3:10 PM


Re: Text of Job 26.
Hi NoNukes
NoNukes writes:
Not sure what to make of that... Garnished means something other than created although it may describe a happening during creation.
The Hebrew word שפרה translated garnished means: 1. fairness, clearness.
This took place when God cleared the heavens of the condition they are found in @ Genesis 1:2.
There are only 3 creation events in the Bible Genesis 1:1, (heavens and earth) 1:21, (great fish or whatever you want to call it for Jonah's 3 days and 3 nights) and 1:27 (mankind, male and female).
Any other events are just God doing work and making things to happen.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 48 of 114 (787315)
07-09-2016 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by LamarkNewAge
07-09-2016 1:03 PM


Re: Don't forget Jesus, James, Apostles, etc. used the Septuagint.
Hi LNA
LNA writes:
You prefer the latter (the 1611 King James), the 1st century Jews (like Jesus and his followers) prefered the former.
I prefer the Hebrew text. The KJV translation is the best English translation we have today, as it is truer to the original text.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 51 of 114 (787324)
07-09-2016 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by LamarkNewAge
07-09-2016 11:56 AM


Re: ICANT and his Hebrew lesson.
Hi LNA
LNA writes:
Then
"THEN" does not answer the question, of where did you get Rahab from? You do not get it from the meaning of רהב which is what is in the Hebrew text.
LNA writes:
I prefer to let scripture define scripture.
No, you choose to believe what someone tells you the scripture says.
LNA writes:
The so-called "formed" translation of the KJV is is chll.
The Hebrew word translated formed in Job 26:13 and the Hebrew word translated wounded in Psalm 109:22 are two different words.
LNA writes:
The "coiling serpent" of Is. 27:1 is Hebrew nchs 'qllt
Why quote the worst translation ever since the New World Tranalation.
LNA writes:
The scholars seem to be allowing the scripture to define the scripture,
What scholars are you talking about?
All the creation stories and flood stories came from the same source. The actual events. Stories were changed, modified,and embellished.
The one Moses wrote about was given to him by God during the 80 days and nights they were together in Mount Sinai. Moses may have been privileged to even view those events, just a possibility.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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