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Message 10 of 41 (788178)
07-26-2016 4:58 PM
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07-26-2016 11:56 AM


Re: Democratic Convention can also be discussed here
She is the partisan head of the DNC that favored Hillary (she has been from Florida as a congresscritter since around 2002 or so). She was not is. She was forced to resign just days ago after the wikileaks bombshell.
She caused many to protest including some prominent Democratic rising stars
The Hindu congresswoman (from Hawaii), who endorsed Sanders, resigned her DNC post several months ago to protest Wasserman Schultz and her pro-Hillary crap. Telsa was her name or something.
Sanders won the diverse state of Hawaii by about 70% to 30% (Alaska 82% to 18%), and its congresswoman resigned from the DNC.before the primary

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Message 12 of 41 (788188)
07-26-2016 6:48 PM
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07-26-2016 11:56 AM


A rising star?
I just looked into this congresswoman.
She could be a future star. Very anti-war.
quote:
"As a veteran, as a soldier, I've seen firsthand the true cost of war. As we look at our choices as to who our next Commander-in-chief will be is to recognize the necessity to have a Commander-in-chief who has foresight. Who exercises good judgment. Who looks beyond the consequences -- who looks at the consequences of the actions that they are willing to take before they take those actions. So that we don't continue to find ourselves in these failures that have resulted in chaos in the Middle East and so much loss of life," Gabbard said.
http://www.nbcnews.com/...nie-sanders-steps-down-dnc-n527481
Look at this new article. It is highly critical.
She seems to have views that represent the people. She seems to care about good policy and telling the truth.
quote:
The Bernie-Endorsing Congresswoman Who Trump Fans Can Love
Tulsi Gabbard is a Bernie supporter and a progressive darlingand yet her stances on standard liberal issues like gun rights and immigration are starting to converge with those of Donald J. Trump.
....
Trump’s views on foreign policy have overthrown a generation’s worth of conservative thinking on the matter: His tolerant stance on dictators like Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin shocked much of the right’s national security intelligencia. But it meshed well with Gabbard’s thinking.
In March, Gabbard was the only Democrat and one of just three members of Congress to vote against a resolution condemning violence by the Assad regime against civilian populations.
Bad enough US has not been bombing al-Qaeda/al-Nusra in Syria. But it’s mind-boggling that we protest Russia’s bombing of these terrorists, Gabbard wrote in September, on the first day of the Russian intervention in Syria.
Firstly, Gabbard is wrong that the U.S. has not struck al Nusra in Syriait hasand secondly, her position aligns nicely with Trump’s: He called those strikes a positive thing. Russia is responsible for attacking U.S. backed opposition forces in Syria.
Tulsi Gabbard: The Bernie-Endorsing Congresswoman Who Trump Fans Can Love
She seems to be somebody who speaks the truth.
Hillary was just chosen by that fraudulent "Democratic" Convention minutes ago.
It is a sad day.
Hopefully there are brighter things ahead.
Could this young congresswomen be an example?

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Message 15 of 41 (788213)
07-27-2016 10:56 AM
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Re: A rising star? To phat.
See my post #1590 in this thread.
EvC Forum: Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread
I have a link which shows the actual DNC quotes that were hacked.
One example is a DNC official attempting to use Sanders religion to hurt him among "southern" voters. It was essentially trying to alert blacks that Sanders was an anti-Christian Jew by raising the religion issue. The raisng of Sanders ethnicity would just kill him among blacks.
The larger issue is the Russian war/peace issues.
These recent developments were a confirmation of my earlier prediction in post #1586.
Both can be found in my link above.

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Message 22 of 41 (788255)
07-28-2016 11:47 AM


I'll just link my post 1590 text here. The media pastes and links.
quote:
Page Unavailable - ABC News
Hillary Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook said Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was pushing for a pro-Russian platform and cited experts who say that Russian state actors were behind the recent leak of Democratic National Committee emails in an attempt to help Trump win.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails, and now are leaking them out through these websites, Mook told ABC’s "This Week" on Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.
Mook also suggested that the GOP nominee altered the Republican party platform to make it more attractive to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime.
"It was concerning last week that Donald Trump changed the Republican platform to become what some experts would regard as pro-Russian," Mook said.
Then
on wikileaks
quote:
Page Unavailable - ABC News
The 4 Most Damaging Emails From the DNC WikiLeaks Dump
By ALANA ABRAMSON SHUSHANNAH WALSHE
Wikileaks leaked nearly 20,000 emails on Friday from top Democratic National Committee officials, exchanged from January 2015 through May 2016. Several emails released show that although the DNC was supposed to remain neutral during the primary contest, officials grew increasingly agitated with Bernie Sanders and his campaign, at some points even floating ideas about ways to undermine his candidacy.
The source of the leak has not been revealed, though Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday that he believes the Russians were instrumental in it.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails and now are leaking them out through these websites," Mook said Sunday. "It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump."
I expected people to find the stuff themselves, but the posts indicate otherwise.
Here are the stories.
The top one was posted here like 1 hour after ABC released it.
Trump responded that this was a crazy conspiracy theory.

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Message 25 of 41 (788312)
07-29-2016 10:58 AM


Why would a Sanders support vote for Hillary?
I wondered that more than ever listening to the Clintons talk last night.
All the Clinton speakers last night blasted Sanders for his single-payer health care plan during the primary.
They attacked Sanders for his 2.2% tax (plus there was the 6.7% employer portion of the workers income to pay a tax on) on workers, but Obamacare has at least a 6% tax on workers, to fund their health care, and that is only if they have a plan with about $3000-$5000 in deductibles.
If workers choose to no plan (as many can't afford it) and you get hit with a 2.5% tax. A 2.5% tax and no health insurance.
Hillary is also way to the right of Trump on war issues. Bush was a baby killer to partisan Democrats (after the Iraq War started to go sour) back last decade. Hillary might be even worse than Bush. Good God. This is 2016 folks, not the Middle Ages.
Hillary is running in the wrong century.

  
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Message 26 of 41 (788315)
07-29-2016 11:08 AM
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07-29-2016 12:38 AM


Re: A rising star? To phat.
quote:
Today's wikileaks release is from hacked voicemails at the DNC. It contains calls from a bunch of folks complaining about the DNC bending over backwards to favor Bernie Sanders.
Average citizens, that support an extremely dishonest Hillary Clinton, calling the DNC to make threats, based on their own prefered lies, that don't have an ounce of truth to them. "You aren't being 100.0% unfair to Bernie, I mean you are favoring Bernie. STOP!"
This reference to the calls proves what exactly?
It proves that we live in a world where people are so full of crap that we all all used to hearing people talk all kinds of crap soooooooooooo you have decided to think that the endlessly chaotic b.s. from people is somehow now a balance to us knowing what actually happened?
I say there is geological evidence that contradicts a global flood 5000 years ago, and even have recent data to back show such, but churches are showing a bias toward Flood Geology being historical in their sermons.
You counter by saying, "but callers to that church said that those evil Evolutionists are getting favorable treatment down there in the pulpits in Arkansas".
It proves... (?) ...

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Message 29 of 41 (788414)
07-31-2016 11:39 AM


Retired General John Allen is about as dishonest as they come.
On ABC's This Week, he actually told George Stephanapolis that the Russians aren't helping fight ISIS.
Russia has 2 bases in the world outside Russia (unlike our hundreds). 1 is in Vietnam and the other is in Alawite Syria, and Russia has been fighting ISIS. Infact Russia and Iran are the only two countries truly fighting ISIS, and they feel that the CIA and its Gulf allies have been helping the group.
Assad was attacked back in early 2015 (or late 2014) by the Israeli IDF, and he said something like, "I don't know why people keep saying al Qaeda does not have an airforce, because they have the IDF".
To balance things out, the (Saudi and CIA funded)Sunni propaganda says that Iran created ISIS as a "false flag" to discredit Sunnis.
Let the "false flag" accusations fly, but Americans are being kept in the dark on the real issues (like who created ISIS as a "false flag"), as is so typical.
Hillary has a bunch of warmongers supporting her who will lie their pants off to justify getting American support for a conflict with Russia. They can't let any sort of reality get into the discussion, so Americans are going to be lied to and lied to endlessly - time after time - in order to make the Russians seem as foul and stinky as possible.
Be aware of the con job.
I am reminded of the time when George Romney went to Vietnam to learn about the war.
quote:
The First Primary: New Hampshire's Outsize Role in Presidential Nominations
By David W. Moore, Andrew E. Smith
"...I'd just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get." He clarified that he was speaking of both the generals and the diplomats who had given him bad information.
Page not found – Rolling Stone
Hillary Clinton has a history of promoting war propaganda.
Why should we be shocked that we are on the path toward war, with Bernie Sanders now vanquished in the primary?
Thank God for Donald Trump.
The anti-war side has a voice against the propaganda (the fact that the Republican Primary was an obstacle to the anti-war Trump did require him to spout some populist bull crap, but that can be seen through, then the real issues can have real disputes, contrasts, and debates THANK GOD!)
Hillary can take her 56% disapproval rating all the way to the White House, but we will have to live with her warmongering long after this election ends. Good thing she won't have a free ride between now and her warpath that she plans to blaze once in office.
Don't give her a free ride through her trail of war that she plans to blaze.
EDUCATE!
EDUCATE!
EDUCATE the American people.
Inform them of the b.s.

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Message 31 of 41 (788525)
08-01-2016 3:49 PM
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Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
quote:
Pray for Donald Trump. And if you are a believer, pray also for Hillary Clinton. Logic dictates that one of them will be the next President, and if you are thanking God for only one of them you are not only worshiping the wrong God, you are insulting the right One.
I thought I was expressing thanks for something.
Look at a story I just saw in Ohio.
Donald Trump has a 60% negative rating, so he should be clobbered, right? Well, no. It turns out that Hillary is at 60% negatives too. See story here
Ohio voters don't like Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Now what?
It seems that people feel as if they need a miracle to get good policy. Perhaps we should pray that our leaders find a common sense, peaceful, and sensible solution to the world's problems instead of war?
That fact alone seems to be keeping Trump in the game.
Look at the crap Trump is taking for mentioning that the people of Crimea feel threatened by the Ukraine government, and not Russia. Telling the truth, in the spirit of peaceful solutions to problems, gets Trump blasted.
Look at the recent headlines.
...........
Donald Trump Suggests US Should Accept Russia's Annexation of ...
Fortune-9 hours ago
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is suggesting the U.S. accept Russia's annexation of Crimea if it would lead to better relations ...
Trump says Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea
CNN-4 hours ago
'Dangerous outcast': Ukraine minister blasts Trump for saying ...
International-RT-11 hours ago
Donald Trump Gives Questionable Explanation of Events in Ukraine
In-Depth-New York Times-22 hours ago
Donald Trump ridiculed after insisting Vladimir Putin 'not going into ...
Opinion-The Independent-7 hours ago
Gen. Hayden: Trump's comments on Putin and Crimea "devoid of ...
In-Depth-CBS News-5 hours ago
t Appears Donald Trump Doesn't Know About The Crimea ...
Huffington Post-Jul 31, 2016
Donald Trump appears either unfamiliar with Russia's annexation of Crimea or directly supportive of the intrusion that began in the winter of ...
Trump to consider recognizing Russian control of Crimea
USA TODAY-Jul 31, 2016
Trump may consider recognition of Crimea as part of Russia
International-TASS-Jul 27, 2016
The other remarkable, pro-Russia thing that Donald Trump just said
Opinion-STLtoday.com-Jul 27, 2016
Clinton blames Russia for DNC hack as Trump seems to back annex ...
In-Depth-The Guardian-Jul 31, 2016
What Is Donald Trump Even Saying About Ukraine?
Blog-Slate Magazine (blog)-Jul 31, 2016
...................
This is what causes me to say that the people of the world need the prayer. Hillary Clinton and the mass media really can't find a peaceful solution to this crisis in Russia/Ukraine?
Why not let Crimea join Russia, and let that be the buffer Russia wants to avoid (or help mitigate) yet another invasion from the west?
Then let the western part of Ukraine join the E.U.?
What is so difficult about that?
I still remember the war-dumb-beat from last decade over the Russia/Georgia issue. Russia was so "evil" and we needed to go to war against Russia to "help the Georgians". But interviewing the Georgians in the conflict zone showed the people saying that they were fleeing the Georgian aggression and not the Russian troops!
Same thing as today with the Ukraine.
Why can't we just let the people decide to join the European Union or let the people join a greater Russia (or at least let them be independent)?
These ethnic Russian regions of nations need to be allowed to split off for now, then in a more peaceful future perhaps there can be a unification with the E.U.
Why can't Hillary Clinton and her supporters find a peaceful spirit within their hearts in order that we all can live in a peaceful world with greater opportunities for prosperity? (regardless of the answer to that one, we do, however, get an answer to the question of why Hillary smells like urine gravy over mashed pig poop potatoes among the 50 "united" States at large)
I pray for the peace of ALL the people on earth, and will be thankful when the warmongers get some highly-publicized challenges to their endless(once unmitigated) & mind-poisoning propaganda. Thank God for Donald Trump! (I didn't even mention the fact that he seems to really want peace in Syria too instead of endless war)

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Message 33 of 41 (788540)
08-01-2016 7:16 PM


A 4 letter word to Hillary supporters.Consider yourselves warned! P-E-A-C-E (4?)
Even ant--Putin Bloomberg News, despite itself admits that Putin didn't want to invade the Ukraine and cause bloodshed when it said, "Yet Putin didn't do any of that. He didn't want to invade the rest of Ukraine and deal with the momentous international consequences. He only wanted Crimea, the Russian navy base populated mainly by pro-Moscow Russian speakers"
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Let's see what the people want.
There is a radical concept.
quote:
The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 96.77 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83.1 percent voter turnout. The survey's intention was to probe the satisfaction of Crimean residents in their decision to reunify with Russia, rather than re-identify with Ukraine. The survey found that 82% of Crimeans "fully endorse" Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation, and that 11% of Crimeans "mostly endorse" Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation, while just 7% "disapprove" of Crimea's secession from Ukraine and joining the Russian federation. In the USA, the results of the GfK survey were reported by Bloomberg.[42]
....
second post-referendum survey, commissioned by John O’Loughlin, College Professor of Distinction and Professor of Geography at the University of Colorado in Boulder, and Gerard Toal (Gearid — Tuathail), Professor of Government and International Affairs at Virginia Tech’s National Capital Region campus, was conducted during December 2014 by the Levada-Center, and published in Open Democracy on March 3, 2015. ...Overall, the survey found that 84% of Crimeans felt that the choice to secede fro Ukraine and accede to Russia was "Absolutely the right decision."
....
According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, majority of Crimean residents say the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[153]
2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
Gee, what would a person looking for practical solutions to the problems seem to notice?
Light bulb moment here for all looking for prudent ideas to help make peace.
Think real hard now (sarcasm).
quote:
During the ABC interview, Stephanopoulos interjected to note that Trump has suggested he could recognize Russia's claim on Crimea over Ukraine's -- and Trump didn't back away from that possibility in the interview.
"I'm going to take a look at it," he said. "But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, ...
....
The Clinton campaign responded later Sunday, with senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan saying... "Today, (Trump) gamely repeated Putin's argument that Russia was justified in seizing the sovereign territory of another country by force. This is scary stuff," Sullivan said in a statement.
Donald Trump says Vladimir Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea | CNN Politics
Scary stuff indeed. Scary that we are probably going to vote for Hillary.
Look at the Pew study. Only 67% of all Ukrainians say that Russia is having a bad influence over Ukraine.
"Three times as many Ukrainians say Russia is having a bad influence on their country as say it is having a good impact (67% vs. 22%). At the same time, overall confidence in Putin’s handling of world affairs has plummeted from 56% in 2007 to 23% today."
"Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia. At least nine-in-ten have confidence in Putin (93%) and say Russia is playing a positive role in Crimea (92%). Confidence in Obama is almost negligible at 4%, and just 2% think the U.S. is having a good influence on the way things are going on the Crimean peninsula."
Despite Concerns about Governance, Ukrainians Want to Remain One Country | Pew Research Center
If Putin is so evil then why are 33% of all Ukrainians either positive or unsure about Russian activities on their country?
Even among the 67% with negative views (and remember we are talking about all Ukrainians, not just ethnic Russians), we Americans know that there are various shades of "negative" ratings. We BETTER know with Trump and Hillary being our choices for President. I would type "lol" but this warmongering over Russia and Ukraine is really really scary. The American foreign policy elite are really scary. A terrifying group of warmongers have caused us to believe their dangerous propaganda.
Wake up all!
There is an attempt to mislead us into supporting war.
It is real scary.

  
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Message 35 of 41 (788570)
08-02-2016 10:57 AM
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08-02-2016 10:08 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
quote:
yes that way we'll have peace in our time
I havn't been able to keep up with all the developments, but is it still a fact that Russian hasn't sent in any troops?
It was that way for the longest time anyway.
It was ethnic Russians who decided they wanted to be independent, then the Ukrainian military unleashed a brutal crackdown.
Has Russia actually done anything yet?
"in our time" might just be reflective of the future.
A land invasion will be impossible with military technology the way it is today. Nobody can cross NATO protected borders. The lines today really mean something. It isn't the Sudetenland all over again. It isn't World War 2 Poland all over again. Poland is part of NATO and Russia can't invade (nor does it want to).
The "peace in our time" omen should cause us to fear the western military power NATO as more of a parallel to WW2 era Germany than today's Russia. NATO is the power that invades others, and in other continents. Russia only seems to be involved (and not even militarily?) when the democratic wishes of ethnic Russians aren't met with anything but deadly crackdowns cum (Ukrainian government operated) bombings.
The question should be if the western media spouted propaganda is just a bunch of lies like the "peace in our time" suggestion from the western powers during World War 2. Thanks to Oliver Stone (and his Showtime documentary) we now see how fraudulent the western powers were, when they were arming Hitler to the teeth and while brutally sanctioning the average German people from being able to support and feed themselves. Germany was crushed economically, but the weapons managed to make it due to massive $$$ from the west for weapons and weapons alone. Stone didn't talk about the Paris stand down by fascists running the French military (I didn't see the documentary though, so it might have been in there).
Regardless, Russia isn't a parallel to World War 2 Germany, despite the endless propaganda by Wesley Clark and others.

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Message 37 of 41 (788588)
08-02-2016 11:56 AM
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08-02-2016 11:41 AM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
NATO didn't invade Africa and overthrow a leader.
Honest.
(fingers crossed)

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Message 39 of 41 (788592)
08-02-2016 12:31 PM
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08-02-2016 12:08 PM


Re: Pray For Whom? ANSWER: Those who need help the most.
It's interesting to hear that NATO induced bloodshed is o.k., Ukrainian government induced bloodshed is o.k., but the democratic wishes of the people of Crimea are a terrible thing.
Russia has "little green men" in an area that ethnic Russians live.
Let the militaristic crackdown on Crimea (by Ukraine) begin AND LAST until they abandon their democratic thoughts and processes.
Nice logic.

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